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1st it was C-clamp grip... now it's High Bore Scopes 😑

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#1 ·
Seen a new grift from Chris Costa, who is now championing mounting scopes on exaggerately tall rings, high off the bore.
Now I'm seeing this new trend of people mounting Acogs, LPVOs, & Long range scopes on towering scope rings.
The new grift is claming quicker target acquisition through scopes mounted high off the bore, because of better neck possition.

Why I reject C-clamp...
1) increased support arm fatigue,
2) overall center of gravity is shifted foward & unbalanced,
3) periphial vision between 10:00 & 12:00 is blocked,
4) thumb obstructs view through optics,
5) reasons 1 & 2 are made worse with a heavy rifle... like the M1A.

Why I reject High Bore Scopes... it greatly exaggerates bullet drop compensation.

I'm not buying in to this lastest, greatest, tacticoolness.
 
#2 ·
Once again it’s the “latest and greatest thing since sliced bread” scenario where you just have to make your XXX look just like those IDIOTS on yt and other such social media platforms 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮. All you are doing is upping their “likes” and lining their pockets with the kickbacks they are getting from the companies they work with/ support/ influence, etc….
If I was to see anyone at the range with their rifles set up like that, I would have zero problem with telling them what a fool they are, might even throw some sailor language at them while trying not to wet my britches 😇
 
#3 ·
Every genre of shooting sports has it's special equipment and methods. The C-grip, 45 degree offset red dot, and high mounted optics is particular to the Run-N-Gun scene. XTC has the hardback coat and glove. Other stuff goes on a a SHTF rifle. None of those items are appropriate while hunting, or when sitting at a bench shooting 25yds to get a BZO (if that's all they ever do). It's the nature of the sport. The stuff has it's place and appropriate use. Just figure out what you are using the rifle for and pick wisely.

But it's ok to laugh inside when people stick a bunch of stuff on because it looks cool and they have no idea why...."Wow, looks cool, dude."
 
#4 ·
Just because someone makes a living writing/talking/training people with guns doesn't mean they know what they're doing. Higher height over bore optics make sense if you are consistently running gas masks for training/operational purposes but then if you have a standard height ACOG/LPVO/scope you can just mount an RMR or similar red dot on top and it'll work with all gas masks even if you're running a PAPR unit.

I didn't think Chris Costa was relevant anymore but I guess he is. Who was the guy that got mad and told some random dude on a forum that he would buy them a 1 way plane ticket to South America and they would have a 1v1 gunfight in the jungle to see who was better? I don't think it was Chris Costa but it was someone in a similar niche in the firearms training industry.
 
#5 ·
I don't follow youtube influencers, but the high mounted scopes have their place. I started see them at the matches about a couple of years ago and now it's pretty common. Run-n-gun, they pretty much only shoot standing and moving. Their rationale makes sense to me: they are more "squared" vs bladed to the target. The rifle's buttplate is centered in the pectoral muscle. The arm isn't "chickenwinged." Quicker eye alignment and target acquisition. They shoot pretty good, and I'm an old slow guy that just dabbles in it for fun. I don't shoot enough 2-gun to change my stuff to high mount, but if I did more and chose to make a dedicated rifle for it, I probably would use a high mount.
 
#8 ·
I don't have fat thumbs butt...
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I do see the top of my thumb knuckle at the bottom of my scope, especially when I wear gloves.
Yes I did experiment with the C-clamp wielding this thing, because I met a couple firearms instructors that "suggested" how I "should" hold my rifle, & to test my biases.

I get that those tactics were designed for 3-gun competitions, & have their advantages there... but I tend to reject tactics that are not combat effective. Like in fencing.
I've trained in Kenjutsu, Naginatajutsu, & Sabre fencing, & there are Dojos that teach you techniques that are effective in competitions, & there are Dojos that teach you what is combat effective... & the 2 don't mix.
 
#7 ·
I won't use a high mount for my optics, but I appreciate the info from smoothy, it makes sense under those circumstances. I guess that if I were a door kicker, I'd probably want that setup.
 
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