Research, still the best game in town......

It's new to the states and I have not seen it in Gun Shows as of yet.... Some history. It's EU.

Year, Event

2009, Founding of RUAG Ammotec, Tampa, USA. From now on RUAG Ammotec manufactures in five countries.
2008, RUAG takes over the MFS 2000 in Syrok, Hungary.
2003, RUAG Ammotec takes over the sales- and trademark rights of the Hirtenberger AG, Austria.
2002, The Swiss RUAG absorbs the sector of small arms ammunition of the Dynamit Nobel, Germany. The new group functions under the name of RUAG Ammotec.
1999, Foundation of RUAG Holding, incorporation of SM, name change to RUAG Munition in 2001.
1995, Both Swiss ammunition factories in Altdorf and Thun merge into the Schweizerische Munitionsfabrik (SM).
1990, Dynamit Nobel purchases Norma which has manufactured ammunition in Åmotfors, Sweden since1902.
1980, SINTOX®, the first environment-friendly priming composition is launched on the market.
1963, Dynamit Nobel AG takes over the Gustav Genschow & Co. AG (Geco), which was founded in 1912 in Karlsruhe.
1931, Fusion of the RWS with the Dynamit Nobel AG.
1926, RWS patents the corrosion- and erosion-free priming compositions SINOXID. The DAG merges with the Vereinigte Köln-Rottweil AG.
1907, The first Waidmannsheil shotshell cartridge is manufactured by the Vereinigte Köln-Rottweil AG in Rottweil am Neckar.
1896, The Swiss federal development workshop in Altdorf is started, in 1902 reformed to the Munitionsfabrik Altdorf (MFA).
1895, The Enger brothers start the Norma Projektilfabrik A/S in Oslo, Norway. Later it moves to Sweden.
1893, RWS establishes an ammunition factory in Stadeln, Fürth, Germany.
1889, RWS takes over the ammunition factory of Mr H. Utendoerffer in Nuremberg.
1887Introduction of the smokeless gun powder PC88 in Thun.
1886Foundation of the Rheinisch-Westfälischer Sprengstoff AG (RWS).
1876The Alfred Nobel & Co is reformed to the Dynamit AG, former Alfred Nobel & Co (also abbreviated like DAG) and begins ammunition manufacturing.1865Alfred Nobel launches the explosives company Alfred Nobel & Co in Hamburg.
1863The Swiss Confederation starts the Eidgenossische Munitionsfabrik Thun in the Bernese Oberland.

 

It looks like they have bought into some impressive production capabilitys.

I wish there was more info on the site about case material, primer type, jacket material (bi-metal?) BUT at that price point, one would expect economy in construction.

500 rounds for $160 of new manufacture ammo sounds like a deal as long as it is brass cased.

Does anyone have any more detailed info on this stuff?

After reading the reviews I see it IS steel cased and berdan primed.

 

Thanks...it appears to be a low-powered round which is why I bring it up here hoping to hear about the muzzle velocities and what's best for an ARMSCORP M14 A1A Scout that I just picked up a few days ago...my 1st one!

BTW...I've checked out their website and it's rather impressive but offers no specs or details on their products.

http://www.ruag.com/en/Ammotec/Defe...ec/Defence_and_Law_Enforcement/7.62x51___.308_Win./Full_metal_jacket_ammunition

 

Am I correct in my thinking here that a bullet (RUAG) with Muzzle Energy :2110 ft lbs may not have enough power to properly cycle through a magazine? Most rounds I've read about people using have the Muzzle Energy :2619 ft lbs range (Federal)...

a 20% increase from the RUAG rounds

 

So anyways...I'll be the guinea pig here and check em out. I just ordered 4 boxes from ableammo and they should be here in a couple weeks. Also ordered some Remy ammo, just in case. I'll keep y'all posted on the outcome...

Thanks again...

 

That muzzle velocity spec is consistent with the old, I mean really old, Frankford Arsenal 300 meter .30-06 cartridge, which had enough steam to turn a Garand over. This, although it was more often fired with the '03 Springfield. Only one way to find out.

 

Thanks! My main concern is if these have enough oompf to cycle through to the next round. I used to have troubles with my 10/22 until I switched to 'high velocity' rounds...which is why I asked about these. (didn't even think about comparing the specs with 30-06...)

Thanks again and I'll be posting about how these work as soon as I can...

 

It's steel-cased. See here:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/76870-1.html

Thanks, but no thanks...

 

I ordered by phone and asked about that and "Patrick" said they're brass and good for reloading...so I dunno...guess I'll have to wait up to 10 business days to find out for sure!

Thanks for your concern...


ps...that's a different mfg number than what I ordered...

 

You're right...I was given bad info. Not only that, but this guy charged my debit card not once, not twice but SEVEN times for the same invoice! It really fu**ed up my checking account too! Just found out about this this afternoon and was too late (of course) to contact them about it by phone but they did receive a scathing email from me with a promise to call first thing in the morning if they don't call me first...yes, I am pissed!

Sorry about the bad info above...I should have done a little more checking since it was one of those, "too good to be true" kinda deals...


Grrrrrrr......

 

I ordered some from Cheaper than Dirt to have some plinking rounds...I'll post up my experiences when I get it and get a chance to shoot some.

 

I've bought name-brand ammo from them and they've always been quick with delivery and good customer service. I should have stuck with them but saw that sale and got all excited to shoot 308's for the price of 38's. I live 100 miles away from the nearest gun store so mail-order is the cheapest way for me to do it.

I'll be more careful in the future...I'm just embarrassed, especially being a newb here and all.

 

Is it me or do the RUAG specs, ~2600 fps and ~2100, seem closer to the low end nato 7.62 147gr specs than a .308 win? If so, it should cycle the M1A or M14?

Been a long time since the last time I took the M240 refresher course; so my nato 7.62 specs are fading.

 

Just shot 2 boxs from Cheaper than Dirt. Pretty good for steel cased ammo. No ftf or fte, burned well enough, cycled the rifle, and accurate enough for 145 gr. Many are saying this is Russian ammo, but the head stamp is MFS of RUAG, which seems to be MFS2000 of Hungary, which explains the cyrilic charcters.