If you want the best, get a Krieger. I have the same barrel you mentioned on one of my M1A's and I love it, and I'm sure you will too.GI1

 

Krieger's hand cut and lapped barrels still set the standard that everyone else tries (but rarely equal) to emulate.

 

I have the CM 1:10 6G Criterion Med Wt and it seems to shoot pretty good. The reputation is they won't shoot 147-150s "very well" but it seems to shoot the milsurp just fine to me. 168s love it.

 

Kreiger holds some outstanding records as being the cream of the crop. I myself have been where you are just a few weeks ago. The decision to go with a Kreiger didn't take too long. FYI if your looking for a CM 1/10 heavy they have them on the shelf on hand ready to short chamber. Stainless was futher out since they were not done. They told me 3-4 weeks to have it ready for me. Might hear something as soon as next week.

 

Stainless was futher out since they were not done. They told me 3-4 weeks to have it ready for me. Might hear something as soon as next week.

The Krieger machinery is very busy right now... very busy (heh heh.)
FRG1

 

Hook pointed me toward a Broughton 5R barrel last time. Very pleased with it - just 6 months to get everything done by the metal workers

Obermeyers are extremely nice too.

But, I have a stainless 1/10 kreiger on order for my next one. Only 2 or 3 months wait.

Dave

 

I have three Kreiger 1/10 twist cm's. I have to agree with Mr Fisher. There are many articles out there that refer to the differences between Kreigers cut rifling process and button rifling. I have done my research and went with the Kreiger. Its all a matter of who you are talking to but I believe the cut rifling method is best. read a couple of articles and draw your own conclusion.
Go with the Kreiger I think Obermeyer uses rthe cut rifling method as well but it seems as though they are never available. Also you can get a great deal of info right from the Kreiger website on the cut rifling method. The theory goes that when using the cut rifle method it place less stress on the metal hence giving you less abnormalities in the finished product. Please read the info at the following link, http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Barrel_Making__Steel-c1246-wp3379.htm

 

I have Krieger barrels on match rifles with match sights. When you are talking about a service rifle and a post sight, Douglas barrels are good enough.

Maybe if you are an 18 year old with eagle eyes, maybe it would make a difference on target.

1996 was the last year the Marine Team used M14's as an XTC gun at Perry. That year I went up to the Marine Van and asked them what barrels they were using. They were using everything. They had Kriegers, Douglas, Shilen (maybe), you name it. Barrel makers often gave them barrels. They put the barrels on, if they shot within 3 inches at 300 yards, it was out on the firing line.

One other thing about Krieger barrels: they are tight. I have to develop and segregate loads, with less powder in them, for my Krieger barrels. Trying to run loads that work fine in a Douglas/Wilson barrel down a Krieger, will pop primers.

This happened to a friend of mine. He got a Clint Fowler rifle with Krieger barrel. Started blowing primers.

 

I had a Douglas 1:10 heavy which was replaced by a Kreiger 1:12". They're pretty much equal as far as I can tell with iron sights. Both print some wicked groups when I do my part. Cut rifling will supposedly last longer.

 

This is an excellent post. For pure NM accuracy, the Krieger beats the Douglas by just a wee bit. However, when it is X count on the line, that could well make the difference. Kriegers will last about 1,500 to 2,000 more rounds of NM gilt edge accuracy.

Having said this and as I mentioned many times before, for most people they would do well to start with a Douglas and spend the extra money on ammo. Then when they are good enough to get a bit of the accuracy difference - then switch to a Krieger after you burn out one or two Douglas barrels.

But if you want to get the most accurate and longest lasting barrel - Krieger is the way to go.

P.S. As to what THE Marine Corps team was using in 1996, it's true that they used many kinds of barrels. That went well back even before my first time on THE Marine Corps Rifle Team in 1975. When we got "gifted" barrels and they would shoot, we would use them. However, when we SPENT our somewhat limited funding - we bought Kriegers as our first choice. As the Shop Chief of the RTE Shop up through 1997, and of course the Armorers for THE Marine Corps Rifle
Team worked for me, that's how I know.

 

I've gone with the Krieger DMR 1:12 stainless on my rig. I have just finished the build, using the norinco m14s forged receiver (plentiful up here in canuckistan).

I'm also interested in working up some loads as I'm new to reloading. Wondering about some recommendations for loading for a .308 match chamber (1.630 on the forster guage)

I'll be using AMAX 150 and 168 gr
nosler 168 HPBT and partitions
Berger VLD 168 gr
ect ect.... loading with commercial winchester brass or Lapua match brass for my DMR with 1:12 twist.

 

Since we are talking heavy barrels, I have a Nomura Machine USGI 1992 manufactured NM heavy barrel. Does anyone know what groove and twist it has? And has anyone had any hands-on experience with one of these? TIA

 

Good Barrels

I used Krieger barrels on my competition rifles and won a lot of matches with them. There are however a lot of good barrels available from other makers. I have seen some of Gene Barnett's barrels shoot exceptionally well and the same can be said of Criterion.

Someone mentioned GI contract heavy barrels made by Nomura. I just got in several barrels that I had made by Criterion to the same specs as the '92 contract. Check them out on my web site.

 

Not to sound like a jerk but.... you get what you pay for, I'd pony up for the more expensive barrel. You'll be happy you did. I've been thinking about getting a spare barrel and think the Kreiger 1 n 10 is the one. ( just wish some one could chrome line a match barrel....)

 

( just wish some one could chrome line a match barrel....)

It can be done, but it is so expensive that it isn't economically practical. Some folks in the aerospace industry did it on some barrels they sent us at Quantico in the mid 80's. The cost was almost the same as the barrel itself and wouldn't justify having them chrome lined.

 

Chromed lined match barrels

Criterion makes a chrome lined match grade medium weight barrel for LRB Arms. They shoot very well. I installed one on a PD gun and they sent me a picture of a target they shot with it. The groups were five shots at 100 yards and could be covered by a nickel. Apparently current methods of chrome plating are much better than those used 40 years ago. I'm using one on the first prototype M25 I built as an evaluation project for LRB and it's a fine shooter.

 

For what its worth, I and several friends shoot M-14s competitively and we all use Douglas/Barnett CM 1-10 twist 4 grove NM Heavy barrels. They are every bit the equal of Kriegers, but leave you with a bit more cash for match ammo. IMHO it is far more important to make sure you have a top notch armorer to install the barrel, skim bed the stock, and make sure everything fits just right than to worry over whether to get a Douglas/ Barnett or Krieger barrel.

 

I don't mean to nitpick this post or others who have stated similar things. I do have to put a codicil on it that most shooters are not Masters or High Master shooters. One really needs to get close or actually in the High Master classification to see that the Kriegers do shoot a little better.

The rest of this post makes some excellent points.

 

Thanks for the info, Ted. I'll try to find one to buy.

 

I appreciate everyone's input on the subject of match barrels. I am going to go with the Krieger heavy-pattern CM 1:10 barrel.

This will be my first traditional Supermatch, I have an M1A in a McMillan stock and Barnett medium-heavy 1:10 that shoots lights out, and I do not want to have anything left to be desired....well until the next build.

Thanks again.

 

My Vote is for the Krieger 1in10CM also, I shoot two of my Rifles in Matches, one with a Krieger and one with a Douglas, both Barrels are excellent but the Krieger has a slight Edge, plus it Cleans up like a Dream!