[WaM14gunner]

I don't really care what Washington state does or doesn't do, that's not my problem, I was simply saying what I don't have to deal with and that I don't trust their excuses to get these laws passed.

And I agree, only pointing out that despite the "rep" WA is getting these days regarding gun laws, that its really not as terrible as some would make it out to be, and most of the bad stuff is very recent.
The thread is about Washington after all.

 

[RAMMAC]

And I agree, only pointing out that despite the "rep" WA is getting these days regarding gun laws, that its really not as terrible as some would make it out to be, and most of the bad stuff is very recent.
The thread is about Washington after all.

That, like everything in our world, is relative. I couldn't imagine living in Washington State, my soul would scream at the oppressive attitude of the ruling class. But if you or others are comfortable with that environment then enjoy your life, what others think doesn't really matter.

 

[WaM14gunner]

That, like everything in our world, is relative. I couldn't imagine living in Washington State, my soul would scream at the oppressive attitude of the ruling class. But if you or others are comfortable with that environment then enjoy your life, what others think doesn't really matter.

The ruling class is everywhere. We do the best we can with what we have and strive to keep things practical in our own lives.

I am a few years older than you, born and raised here and love being near salt water, practically born on it. Cant imagine living anywhere else at this stage of life being nearly 70.

 

[jukk0u]

@RAMMAC:
It, unfortunately, is your problem. Progressives will use successes in state legislatures to hone strategies in the remaining free states to bring their anti-2A crusade to your door step.

Eternal vigilance, and continued energy expended in preservation of your rights is warranted. Keep your powder dry, as they say.

 

[bandit]

I had a good friend from Washington state that use to hike a lot of trails. He said he always carried a pistol. or a rifle if hunting season. He said he's been stalked by the four legged felines that eat people as his reason for being armed. Maybe if a high ranking tree hugging liberal anti gunner gets eaten gun laws will change........Nah! They will just lie on their 4473 that they don't use recreational substances and buy a gun for protection like they did during COVID plandemic.

 

[Instructor]

I well realize that Federal laws exist everywhere, but I was referring to State laws for if we have any, I am not aware of them. No lic. required to carry handgun concealed or open and recently no laws regarding carrying loaded rifle in your vehicle either. Obviously, no firearm of any sort is permitted to be carried, brought into, a government facility State or Federal which is pretty much universal I believe. Just to be clear on how I feel about gun laws I have no problem whatsoever with tight restrictions regarding full auto firearms to the general public for they are a huge waste of valuable ammunition and money from both purchasing them and shooting them, just not for me, nor is accuracy their strong feature.

 

[3584ELK]

JukkOu wrote:

"It, unfortunately, is your problem. Progressives will use successes in state legislatures to hone strategies in the remaining free states to bring their anti-2A crusade to your door step.

Eternal vigilance, and continued energy expended in preservation of your rights is warranted. Keep your powder dry, as they say. "

JukkOu knows me from WaGuns.org and already knows my worn out line...

When the low IQ leftists outnumber normal folk by 3:1, then continue voting communists into office, it a seemingly impossible wave to fight.

Also tired of so-called gun guys not voting, not standing for their rights, and being stupidly uninformed about bills in the state legislature. The majority of "gun guys" in my LGS whine and whine about the latest law, but when queried about their voting record and frequency, you hear things like:
1) I don't like politics (said every victim of communism...)
2) My vote doesn't count, so why bother? (how do you know?)
3) I don't know how to register to vote- it seems like too much work. (It's never been easier)
4) I can't afford to make donations to SAF or GOA. (while holding a $900 Idiot Phone)
It's never been easier to vote in WA, yet 58٪ can't get out of the recliner and vote.

Fighting the leftists is one thing, but fighting those who are supposed to be aligned with you is impossible.

 

[WaM14gunner]

JukkOu wrote:

"It, unfortunately, is your problem. Progressives will use successes in state legislatures to hone strategies in the remaining free states to bring their anti-2A crusade to your door step.

Eternal vigilance, and continued energy expended in preservation of your rights is warranted. Keep your powder dry, as they say. "

JukkOu knows me from WaGuns.org and already knows my worn out line...

When the low IQ leftists outnumber normal folk by 3:1, then continue voting communists into office, it a seemingly impossible wave to fight.

Also tired of so-called gun guys not voting, not standing for their rights, and being stupidly uninformed about bills in the state legislature. The majority of "gun guys" in my LGS whine and whine about the latest law, but when queried about their voting record and frequency, you hear things like:
1) I don't like politics (said every victim of communism...)
2) My vote doesn't count, so why bother? (how do you know?)
3) I don't know how to register to vote- it seems like too much work. (It's never been easier)
4) I can't afford to make donations to SAF or GOA. (while holding a $900 Idiot Phone)
It's never been easier to vote in WA, yet 58٪ can't get out of the recliner and vote.

Fighting the leftists is one thing, but fighting those who are supposed to be aligned with you is impossible.

Dont even have to get out of the LazyBoy, but for long enuf to walk to the mailbox to mail your ballot! I know such voting methods lends itself to fraud, but its easy.

No excuse for not voting.

 

[RAMMAC]

@RAMMAC:
It, unfortunately, is your problem. Progressives will use successes in state legislatures to hone strategies in the remaining free states to bring their anti-2A crusade to your door step.

Eternal vigilance, and continued energy expended in preservation of your rights is warranted. Keep your powder dry, as they say.

Gee, thanks for that tip new guy.

 

[Rifleman-7.62]

I can't afford to make donations to Second Amendment Foundation or Gun Owners of America. (while holding a $900 Idiot Phone)

I cannot convince someone to join Gun Owners of America. He spent over $10,000 on preparing with camping equipment, food storage and firearms for future bad times in America. Why not spend $25 to $50 annually on donations to go on the offensive against tyrants trying to destroy our 2nd Amendment liberties? If we get a mere 15 million gun owners to contribute at least $30 a year that is almost half a billion dollars to fight offensively for our liberty.

 

[RichFool]

There is a tension between the 2A and 10A.

I'm not smart enough to decide which trumps which, but if I had the choice to earn a living and live in a 'free' state vs. 'ban' state I would pick up and move.

What appears to be reality is that residents of 'ban' states live in captivity and hope the US Supreme Court 'frees' them, which takes years if ever.

It's hard and everyone has issues / family ties etc. but if you are relatively young, you might want to exit the cities and blue states.

I don't see any tension. The R2K&BA was a right well before the United States of America was created. Like all of the other rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights, the 2A simply clarifies it. Recall from the debates about the ratification of the Constitution BoR that many of the Constitution's proponents said a BoRs was unnecessary and redundant.

I'm glad they lost that one because, unfortunately, courts have taken the view that if a claimed right isn't in the Consitution/BoR, it doesn't exist. One of those is the right to privacy.

Consider the reasoning in both the recent Bruen and Dobbs (abortion) decisions applies to other rights. I also wonder why the SCOTUS didn't use the 9th Amendment in its reasoning because it strengthens the case for the 2A.

Going by that reasoning, we should ask if there was a right to privacy around the time of ratification, and if so, what was the nature of that right?

(Sorry about that last bit of tangent!)

 

[Scott in Texas]

Maybe there's a member here who is a Constitutional scholar and lawyer who can explain why states like New York, California, Washington, Oregon, Illinois, etc. etc. have such restrictive, punitive, absurd and anti 2A gun laws, while other states like Texas, Tennessee, etc. do NOT have these anti 2A laws.

How is this possible?

Yeah, I know 'Those laws are Unconstitutional!!!' And yet they are enforced, considered valid by their State governments, and generally the Supreme Court has not explicitly ruled them unconstitutional. Why not?

 

[WaM14gunner]

Maybe there's a member here who is a Constitutional scholar and lawyer who can explain why states like New York, California, Washington, Oregon, Illinois, etc. etc. have such restrictive, punitive, absurd and anti 2A gun laws, while other states like Texas, Tennessee, etc. do NOT have these anti 2A laws.

How is this possible?

Yeah, I know 'Those laws are Unconstitutional!!!' And yet they are enforced, considered valid by their State governments, and generally the Supreme Court has not explicitly ruled them unconstitutional. Why not?

Pretty simple really. The voters.

 

[jukk0u]

Gee, thanks for that tip new guy.

New guy, lol.