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Discussion starter · #22 ·
Cheapest M14 receiver is a light M1 Garand drill receiver ,usually about $250 maybe.If your handy ,little mill work and a few mods you can use those parts to build a cheap M114 type build.
This I would like to hear more about!

Particularly where one might find such a thing. I've never seen them for sale anywhere, but this sounds like a viable option.

So is it all M14 parts except the receiver?
 
Drill receivers come up all the time on cmp forum and gunbroker.

You need and M1 bolt and all M14 parts will work.
Receiver has to be milled out ,M14 Op rod needs bolt closing cam welded in and machined.
Legs have to be machined off to M14 specs.

Make a spring guide and filler ,go to Steel and Wood forum in stickies for further details.You can simplify the design a lot more than the custom parts I made.
 
Probably one of the lower priced receivers available are Fulton Armory, but very good quality !!!

Agreed. I put two M14 rifles together on Fulton receivers and both worked out fine. Watch for one of their sales. Often around July 4 they have a 10% off sale. Last Christmas they had a 20% off sale... right after my purchase of a B/R at 10% off. Just need a little patience.

Rich
 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
Drill receivers come up all the time on cmp forum and gunbroker.

You need and M1 bolt and all M14 parts will work.
Receiver has to be milled out ,M14 Op rod needs bolt closing cam welded in and machined.
Legs have to be machined off to M14 specs.

Make a spring guide and filler ,go to Steel and Wood forum in stickies for further details.You can simplify the design a lot more than the custom parts I made.
Ah shoot, that kills it right there. Can't weld for one thing. JB Weld is the only welding in my vocabulary lol.

Other thing is I already have an M1A bolt, so having to go out and buy an M1 bolt would eat up whatever I might have saved on the M1 receiver. Which would also defeat my goal of using up parts instead of acquiring more, and then I would end up with an M1A bolt in the end begging to built into another rifle, and that's never good.

Don't suppose a person can just order a Norinco receiver off Alibaba?
 
Ah shoot, that kills it right there. Can't weld for one thing. JB Weld is the only welding in my vocabulary.

Don't suppose a person can just order a Norinco receiver off Alibaba?


You are sending mixed signals.

First, If JB weld is your go to skill, you probably want to avoid this whole project.
Second, norinco is not an option to import for anyone in the US.
Third, buying any receiver going around federal law will only give you a long vacation in club fed. Alibaba is not an option. Tread lightly or say hi to Paul m when you see him and tell him to keep his chin up.
I guess you could relocate to Canada but that would give you a fourth .
 
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You are sending mixed signals.

First, If JB weld is your go to skill, you probably want to avoid this whole project.
Second, norinco is not an option to import for anyone in the US.
Third, buying any receiver going around federal law will only give you a long vacation in club fed. Alibaba is not an option. Tread lightly or say hi to Paul m when you see him and tell him to keep his chin up.
I guess you could relocate to Canada but that would give you a fourth .
Slow your roll there smokie I was only joking.
 
Hi,
My opinion?

An M14 is not a cheap build, period.

You would be better off building a Ruger 10/22 and that still takes some money.

The best deal for a M14 receiver as has been mentioned is the FA cast receiver bought on a Holiday Sale.

Whether that receiver will headspace correctly with a Chi-Com barrel I have no idea???

Don't forget BULA is now making + - bolts to help headspacing to a chromed barrel?

Just sayin!
 

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Hi,
My opinion?

An M14 is not a cheap build, period.

You would be better off building a Ruger 10/22 and that still takes some money.

The best deal for a M14 receiver as has been mentioned is the FA cast receiver bought on a Holiday Sale.

Whether that receiver will headspace correctly with a Chi-Com barrel I have no idea???

Don't forget BULA is now making + - bolts to help headspacing to a chromed barrel?

Just sayin!
If I could magically transform my M14 parts into 10/22 parts I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately I'm stuck with them.

I've got a Springfield 16" barrel with the SOCOM brake and scout base.

A Bula stripped bolt.

A Springfield cast op rod.

A Springfield cast gas system.

A Springfield M1A trigger group.

A rear sight assembly.

And a GI stock and handguard.

So basically a complete rifle minus the receiver.
 
Targeting proper headspace will be the killer here. The chances of a take-off barrel that was already cut to headspace on a Springfield receiver working on another receiver with a Bula bolt are slim. Even less after lapping the bolt to the receiver. It may or may not be within the window of a Bula +/- bolt which will cost an additional $200. You can reclaim some cost by selling your original bolt.

But to even know this information, you'd need a 10 piece headspace gauge set ($420 from PTG) or you'd have to send it to a gunsmith that has the gauges to tell you if the barrel will work.

Plus there's the gamble that the barrel will properly time to your new receiver. It may time past 0Ëš in which case you'll have to have the shoulder rolled on a lathe or go Bubba on it with a ball peen hammer and dimple the shoulder to give you some shoulder crush.

In my opinion, sell the take-off barrel, buy a Criterion 16" short chambered barrel from Fulton and get a Fulton or Bula receiver. This is your shortest and cheapest route with the least amount of headache.

Building rifles with take-off non-chrome barrels is a headache. If it were a chrome lined barrel of any maker, or an uncut short-chambered non-chrome barrel, I'd be more confident.

Tony.
 
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Targeting proper headspace will be the killer here. The chances of a take-off barrel that was already cut to headspace on a Springfield receiver working on another receiver with a Bula bolt are slim. Even less after lapping the bolt to the receiver. It may or may not be within the window of a Bula +/- bolt which will cost an additional $200. You can reclaim some cost by selling your original bolt.

But to even know this information, you'd need a 10 piece headspace gauge set ($420 from PTG) or you'd have to send it to a gunsmith that has the gauges to tell you if the barrel will work.

Plus there's the gamble that the barrel will properly time to your new receiver. It may time past 0Ëš in which case you'll have to have the shoulder rolled on a lathe or go Bubba on it with a ball peen hammer and dimple the shoulder to give you some shoulder crush.

In my opinion, sell the take-off barrel, buy a Criterion 16" short chambered barrel from Fulton and get a Fulton or Bula receiver. This is your shortest and cheapest route with the least amount of headache.

Building rifles with take-off non-chrome barrels is a headache. If it were a chrome lined barrel of any maker, or an uncut short-chambered non-chrome barrel, I'd be more confident.

Tony.
I have a full set of headspace gauges and I can adjust the timing if necessary, though in all likelihood it will headspace within SAAMI specs, or at least NATO.

You have to understand these are parts left over from nice builds. Namely they are take off parts from a SOCOM that had been sort of halfway converted into an EBR, with some minor damage done to the barrel in the process. I used the receiver and forged Springfield bolt from it for an 18.5" bush build I'm doing with the remainder of my spare parts, including Criterion and SEI parts I had left over from yet another project.

The Bula bolt I got in a parts kit from SARCO a long while back because it was a fantastic deal that included a Fulton receiver and many other desirable parts I was able to use or sell. I ended up getting the receiver for a steal when all was said and done.

Again, the object here is NOT to acquire more parts. I've already built all the nice M14s I'm going to. But you can see my dilemma, having enough parts to basically build another rifle that I don't know what to do with, that I basically got for free. I've tried to sell them, and even at bargain prices no one was interested. I've learned if you can't sell something on Gunbroker there's just no demand for it. Not many people building their own M14s these days.

I REALLY wish the M114 didn't require an M1 bolt. That sounded like a fantastic project. I wonder if there's anyone out there who would trade me and M1 bolt for my Bula? What do M1 bolts run these days? I actually know someone from church whose son is a professional welder. If he could fill in the cam pocket then I could mill the new one, assuming I had a drawing to work with.
 
I have a full set of headspace gauges and I can adjust the timing if necessary, though in all likelihood it will headspace within SAAMI specs, or at least NATO.

You have to understand these are parts left over from nice builds. Namely they are take off parts from a SOCOM that had been sort of halfway converted into an EBR, with some minor damage done to the barrel in the process. I used the receiver and forged Springfield bolt from it for an 18.5" bush build I'm doing with the remainder of my spare parts, including Criterion and SEI parts I had left over from yet another project.

The Bula bolt I got in a parts kit from SARCO a long while back because it was a fantastic deal that included a Fulton receiver and many other desirable parts I was able to use or sell. I ended up getting the receiver for a steal when all was said and done.

Again, the object here is NOT to acquire more parts. I've already built all the nice M14s I'm going to. But you can see my dilemma, having enough parts to basically build another rifle that I don't know what to do with, that I basically got for free. I've tried to sell them, and even at bargain prices no one was interested. I've learned if you can't sell something on Gunbroker there's just no demand for it. Not many people building their own M14s these days.

I REALLY wish the M114 didn't require an M1 bolt. That sounded like a fantastic project. I wonder if there's anyone out there who would trade me and M1 bolt for my Bula? What do M1 bolts run these days? I actually know someone from church whose son is a professional welder. If he could fill in the cam pocket then I could mill the new one, assuming I had a drawing to work with.
Look on EBAY for an M1 bolt. I'll bet you find quite a few. And if you trade your Bula M14 bolt for a M1 bolt, you are on the losing end of that deal.
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
You should be able to find a excellent complete M1 bolt for $60-$65 on CMP forum . Garand parts are selling at a all time low. I don't know what they sell for on E-Bay
Sounds like a good time to build a tanker garand. Although doing an 80% garand receiver might be firmly out of my wheelhouse. I would tackle it in a heartbeat if the threads were cut, but those look like a bridge too far. I've heard doing the receiver threads "is a challenge for a good machinist." I'm not even a machinist, much less a good one lol.
 
Sounds like a good time to build a tanker garand. Although doing an 80% garand receiver might be firmly out of my wheelhouse. I would tackle it in a heartbeat if the threads were cut, but those look like a bridge too far. I've heard doing the receiver threads "is a challenge for a good machinist." I'm not even a machinist, much less a good one lol.
Hmmm...
 

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