[jmoore]

...
Delighted to hear that you no longer have to remove the bolt stop to get the trigger group out... So even though it is no longer relevant to current production, I dug out the old pdf I put together detailing the teardown of the Gen I version:

http://www.neergaard.org/ahn/Images/Dis-assembling the SCAR lower receiver.pdf

Here's some quick photos of a 17s trigger housing/mag well group:

The base of the hammer is too wide for a RH plate, and there's no locking grooves in the pins on the right side.

And a supplemental photo (ETA: and a duplicate from an earlier post) of the unceremoneously hogged out area of the mag well done after import to make the rifle work with regular mags.:

 

[redpeak]

Does FN have plans to eventually make the Scar 16 and 17 in the US so us lowly civilians don't have to have rifles with this extra ugly pin and a blocked mag well? I know HK plans to make their rifles here for our market. I think I'll wait till then and avoid the prototypes.

 

[Charlene32]

Me, personally, I would not trade my M14 for any other rifle.

that is my opinion as well......but i also understand the compelling need to get a new "toy". if you trade up it will only be a matter of time before you regret it as you will then be longing for your M1A. if you want something new, i find it best to "add" to your collection rather than let something go. the "newness" factor will wear off of every rifle and you will regret loosing nice guns as you go.....especially a classic M1A.

my recommendation has nothing to do with opinions on which gun is better or how good the SCAR is. what matters is you want a SCAR because there is something about obtaining one that excites you.....just like the excitement you felt when you got your M1A. i say, hold on to that excitement a little longer as you raise funds for it. there is no need to just run out and get married just because you got bit by the love-bug. enjoy having a crush a little longer then make that SCAR your wife when the time is right. dont kill the thrill. good things come to the ones that wait.

 

[Green66Chevelle]

Does FN have plans to eventually make the Scar 16 and 17 in the US so us lowly civilians don't have to have rifles with this extra ugly pin and a blocked mag well? I know HK plans to make their rifles here for our market. I think I'll wait till then and avoid the prototypes.

I emailed back and forth with one of the sales managers of FN over a year ago asking if factory short barrels would ever be made available to the public or something like that. Anyways one thing led to another and he told me that FNH was gearing up their factory in North or South Carolina to start making SCARs for the military but he said it was unlikely that the civilian version of the SCAR would come from anywhere but Belgium...

Makes sense right? dance2

 

[jmoore]

How hard could it possibly be for Magpul to do a new trigger housing that takes unmodified PMags? Even if you have to swap the metal parts, it ought to sell.

AND they would sell more of their own mags! How could that be a bad thing?

Make a package and they could also sell more MIAD grips...

 

[jmoore]

Had a look at several 16s and 17s rifles this morning. The 16s rifles still have both plates. The 17s rifles do not. S/N starting at HC14xxx. What all that means I can't say.

 

[edward5759]

I have two of the 17s and they both shoot 2-3" at 100 yards.
Several LEOs traded them for a SOCOM and a Belgium made FN which shot MOA with white box Winchester.
Iam not that impressed with them. Just something new for the market. I had a 16 that I played with for a while, same thing, a little more accurate.

 

[jmoore]

I have two of the 17s...
Iam not that impressed with them.

????

Just something new for the market.

Military market. Civilian sales are way down on FN's priority list.

 

[rageagainst1984]

I would NEVER own a SCAR..... pay too much for ugly?

Nothing beats classic reliability.

 

[Dave 42]

Right side plate

Yup, the RH side plate is gone. Whether it is a feature still of the 16s, I don't know, but the current 17s seems to have eliminated that bit of nuttiness. Will check some more rifles in the upcoming weeks.

Your link is an excellent addition to Green66Chevelle's photo teardown.

I have never seen a photo of a MK17 MOD 0 with the right side plate, Seems to have always been a MK16 "thing". Don't know why,,,,,I don't think it's needed for the auto sear/bolt trip as the MK16 & MK17 have the same fire control group AFAIK.

Dave P

 

[Dave 42]

Remove the bolt stop mechanism?

In order to disassemble the trigger group, you have to start with a jeweler's screwdriver to remove the lever on the selector,

True

you have to remove the entire bolt stop mechanism to get into the TG

Why remove the bolt stop assembly?? It is not connected in any way to the fire control group. I did not do that when I took my hammer and trigger out to stone the engagement surfaces. (My 17S had really bad machining marks left of the hammer!) I do not see any need to remove the bolt stop assembly for trigger work.

Dave P

 

[jmoore]

Why remove the bolt stop assembly?? It is not connected in any way to the fire control group. I did not do that when I took my hammer and trigger out to stone the engagement surfaces. (My 17S had really bad machining marks left of the hammer!) I do not see any need to remove the bolt stop assembly for trigger work.

Dave P

See Posts #46, 50, 58, and 62 for discussion. Apparently even the current 16s has a RH plate retained by the bolt stop crosspin. It's not in any 17s rifles observed to date (earliest was a HC14xxx S/N).

Post #46 has a photo of the 16s trigger group about half way into the breakdown. ETA: And the first photo of Post #48. #62 is a 17s' T.G. for comparison.

ETA2: Somehow I missed reading your Post #70...Oops. Will leave this post for those joining the discussion "late". (Ach, I just hit "go to the last post" arrow and didn't bother scrolling up! That's how it got missed.)

 

[Dave 42]

Still don't see any reason why you would have to (or should) remove the right hand plate to remove the trigger/hammer. Geissele's youtube video on how to install his SCAR trigger in a MK16 shows that all you need to do is to push the hammer spring support (the cross rod that the hammer spring strut goes through) out to the left a little and you can pivot the RH plate up and out of the way. No need to remove the bolt stop parts!

Dave P

 

[joshh460]

So my understanding is keep the m1 & get a scar later from what you guys are saying... But what if your a first time 308 buyer in the market for a 50-400 yard battle/hunting rifle? Still get a M1A first? Im really considering a scout squad, i love the look & history of the M1A rifle & have a real soft spot for its patriotic duty it serves america and have been in love with these boats since i first watched black hawk down. But at the same time the scar is so "tacticool" and really interests me. Any advice? Im also liking the price of a m1a a whole hell of a lot better as well... At the rate of the scar i would rather spend a few extra bucks & get a full sized m1a and a socom lol

 

[GARRARD]

So my understanding is keep the m1 & get a scar later from what you guys are saying... But what if your a first time 308 buyer in the market for a 50-400 yard battle/hunting rifle? Still get a M1A first? Im really considering a scout squad, i love the look & history of the M1A rifle & have a real soft spot for its patriotic duty it serves america and have been in love with these boats since i first watched black hawk down. But at the same time the scar is so "tacticool" and really interests me. Any advice? Im also liking the price of a m1a a whole hell of a lot better as well... At the rate of the scar i would rather spend a few extra bucks & get a full sized m1a and a socom lol

Depends on what you will do with your M1A. If you are going to buy a JAE stock, buy GI parts, etc., by the time you're done you'll have spent as much money as you would have on a SCAR. I bought a SCAR in May and I enjoy it so much I haven't fired my M1A since. SCAR's are expensive and the only reason I bought it was that I wanted a modern .308 platform that was lighter, better balanced, and more accessory friendly than a M1A, and I feel like I got exactly that with the SCAR. If you want to know more about the SCAR, feel free to send me a PM.

 

[jmoore]

I STILL dunno. If you accept the fact that some M1As will need help out of the box, then jump in. The SCAR costs way more, but it's Glock 17-like, in that they're uniformly good if somewhat ugly. And FN doesn't tell you when they make internal changes...just like Glock.

I shot both an M1A and the 17s last friday. Generally I still prefer the M1A. But the Springfield Inc production is the question. By the time you have gone the "boutique" manufacturers route for a top end semi-auto M14, the price difference isn't much at all. Especially when you factor in mags, etc.

So you pays your money and you takes your chances.

 

[Wayne M]

Overpriced, overloud, mags are overpriced......if you can find them.

 

[Dredsen]

Garrard ? update plz?

i think you love your scar now don't you?

 

[GARRARD]

Like I said before, if you drop a M1A into a JAE, EBR, or Rogue you will match the price of a SCAR or exceed it. If you leave it in a regular stock, it won't have as many features as a SCAR so calling it overpriced at that point becomes an apples and oranges comparison. As for loudness, it doesn't seem any louder to me than a M1A but that might just be me and the fact that I wear hearing protection. Maybe it seems that way because the SCAR has a muzzle brake instead of a flash hider. Either way, I'd rather stand next to a SCAR or M1A than a M4. As for magazines, I don't know what GI magazines go for these days; I'm sure the SCAR ones are more expensive but that goes for any new magazine. They go for less than $40 and they have extended floor plates which make them easier to get out of pouches and protects them when dropped. As for availability, I bought a handful of them on a Monday and had them at my door on Friday. I had zero problems finding them. I know there's plenty of people that hate SCAR's here either because of preference or envy, and that's fine, but some of the things I've read on this forum about SCAR's are born of ignorance or straight up lies. So if anyone wants questions answered from someone who owns both, feel free to send me a PM.

 

[sinead]

Hideous, but light, accurate, and generally user friendly. But spare mags are scarce. And there's some things I still prefer about the M14 type rifle.

And it's possible to get the weight pretty comparable.

But your national match is definitely the better iron sight platform!

Can you actually use the iron sights with that setup?