[XM25Dweeb]

I've found that using layers of burlap then tied on with para cord works, sorta. Anyways it works better than can covers do from my experience and it's a very cheap mod. I wrap quite a bit around my can and it does actually work with mirage to a degree. Keep in mind I'm no suppressor expert and only own one Surefire unit in 556. I got the idea from a buddy of mine who was a SWAT guy using a gemtech urban on his dept. issued 11.5 inch M16. You have to use a bunch of burlap though. layers of it! Looks super silly with it on there and makes people at the range wonder what the heck you're trying to accomplish. So be prepared for lots of wacky looks and questions at the local range. For me personally, mirage is probably the only annoying thing about running a can on an AR15 precision rifle excluding the gas blow back which I've found a great solution for. If you have any questions about gas blow back on an AR15 rifle I can be of some help in that area. Feel free to ask if so.

Edit to add: Be careful getting the burlap too hot it could catch fire. Never had this happen yet but who knows its probably possible if you get the can too hot. I don't have this issue because mine is mounted on a slow fired Ar15 precision rifle.

 

[XM25Dweeb]

Gents,

I prefer to wrap my supressors to cut down on IR signature, burns, and it just plain looks better, IMHO.
There are Cole-Tac wraps for all of my "cans".

Wes

We have one who can see....at night.

 

[fastdadio]

 

[nf1e]

You are killing a great thread again Sir. Never mentioned Sionics or Vietnam. Only information I have acquired related to suppressors has been from range buddies that used some of the old suppressors on the M14 during testing. I have never relied on reference books Ren and don't think I even own any. I have been asked over the years to contribute to some of the references that you have mentioned though.

 

[nf1e]

I've found that using layers of burlap then tied on with para cord works, sorta. Anyways it works better than can covers do from my experience and it's a very cheap mod. I wrap quite a bit around my can and it does actually work with mirage to a degree. Keep in mind I'm no suppressor expert and only own one Surefire unit in 556. I got the idea from a buddy of mine who was a SWAT guy using a gemtech urban on his dept. issued 11.5 inch M16. You have to use a bunch of burlap though. layers of it! Looks super silly with it on there and makes people at the range wonder what the heck you're trying to accomplish. So be prepared for lots of wacky looks and questions at the local range. For me personally, mirage is probably the only annoying thing about running a can on an AR15 precision rifle excluding the gas blow back which I've found a great solution for. If you have any questions about gas blow back on an AR15 rifle I can be of some help in that area. Feel free to ask if so.

Edit to add: Be careful getting the burlap too hot it could catch fire. Never had this happen yet but who knows its probably possible if you get the can too hot. I don't have this issue because mine is mounted on a slow fired Ar15 precision rifle.

Most of my suppressor covers are lined with a Nomex type material that is supposed to stand in excess of 1800 deg. Looks very much like the hot gloves my wife uses in her glass studio.

 

[SGM (ret.)]

The practical reason for wrapping a suppressor that I see every day on the range where I work is to protect the shooter and enable the firearm to be administratively handled sooner after firing (that is, moving it, casing it back up, etc.).

The darned things get hotter'n hades, and I've seen more than one shooter burn the snot out of his or herself by touching one before it has cooled down. Shooters who don't have theirs wrapped spend a lot of time after firing with the gun on the bench just waiting for the can to cool down. Most shooters don't keep their suppressors permanently mounted on their guns. The ones still waiting on the BATF paperwork have to turn their suppressors in to the range - the SOT-FFL - before they can leave (back into the safe for storage by the SOT-FFL). Most of the rest keep their suppressors separate from the guns because that makes their own storage requirements easier.

(We actually rent a couple of firearms that have suppressors mounted on them, mostly for folks who are considering buying one and want to try one out. It is SOP for both the retail staff and our range officers to warn these shooters about not burning themselves with one of our rental guns. The RO's have to watch the shooters like hawks and generally repeat their warnings every time they clear the firearms to put the firing line in a cold status.)

So, yea, if you're actually worried about IR signatures (really?) or mirage, wrapping will mitigate your concerns. As a practical matter, though, you're more likely to burn the crap out of your hand if it's not.

 

[twobyfour]

I use mine so I can see and so I don’t burn my hands/arms/etc. The burns are like oven rack burns, trust me!

 

[Sorry Dude]

I don't have a suppressor and have never tried one, but I don't think I ever touch the end of the barrel when I'm at the range. Guess you have to wait a while to case your rifle.

 

[EastCountyRedneck]

Wrapping the can or a suppressor condom reduces the IR signature and keeps you from branding yourself if you get clumsy……

I bought this is a novelty. Just cause I’m not a criminal, a

No , you have it all wrong! No one is jealous of you, certainly not me. Unlike many here, I know who you really are, and that is nothing to be jealous of!
Can you point to a reference book that you read about the SIONICS M14 Suppressor, because you have no firsthand knowledge on the subject!

MORE THAN A HOBBY, A PASSION!
REN

This is about me asking others the purpose of a suppressor wrap. Take your squabbling elsewhere. It’s not wanted or needed here.

 

[lysander]

Rgr that. I have found that some of the less expensive covers tend to slide around when hot. Been suppressing rifles and pistols for over 50 years and still learn something new every day. I have settled on OSS titanium cans for my uses when I buy new ones.
Without a good cover, heat mirage will take you out of the business in a hurry. And boy do they help when removing the suppressor when it's been in use.
Some of the old original M14 suppressors were total junk and barely stayed in service. They were only good for 50 to 100 rnds some less and crapped out when the spring in the valve bit the dust. The improved ones used on the M16 with mods were good for almost 200 but died of the same design flaws. Todays offerings are good for may K of shots before problems occur.

"Military Potential Test of Noise Suppressors for M16A1 Rifle, Final Report," Gene W. Cole, Capt, USA, United States Infantry Board, Ft Benning, Sept 1968.

This report covers the testing seven types of suppressor designs. two designs from the Human Engineering Laboratory (HEL), Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD, two designs from Frankford Arsenal (FA), Philadelphia, PA, and three designs from the civilian company, SIONICS Corporation [1]. All of the suppressors were to undergo tests to establish firing signature (noise, smoke and flash), accuracy, cyclic rate and reliability, and durability. The durability test was a combination of a grueling 1000 round rapid fire semi-automatic, rapid fire full-automatic, magazine dump, and all of the other data from the other tests. The total number of rounds fired was to be over 6,000 rounds. Regular inspections were carried out over the course of testing, including borescopes of the suppressor's interior.

The SIONICS designs worked fairly well, only two weak spots were identified: the pressure relief valve was weak (the report recommends its elimination), and the Teflon bushing. All three designs had the rear retaining collar worked loose every 100 rounds, requiring regular tightening.

The SIONICS suppressors were better than the FA designs, which vibrated so badly they shook the rivets out of the front sling swivel, and loosen the front sight, but more noisy than the HEL designs.

"Accuracy Test, M16 Heavy Barrel," Ray Orton, Maj, USA, US Army Marksmanship Training Unit, October 1969. This was a 400+ round of one of the SIONICS suppressors. The suppressors managed to last more than 200 rounds.
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1) Studies In the Operational Negation of Insurgents and Counter-Subversion

 

[Capona]

agreed, I don’t understand the vitriol that works it’s way into a basic thread on suppressor covers. Keep it in politics.

 

[M11293]

Suppressor covers are for protection from mirage and burned hands (if you are pulling them off to leave, switch guns, whatever, etc.) I can't think of any other reasons why I use mine. I frankly have only used mine a couple times. It certainly works for mirage and insulation. I frankly don't rapid fire enough to benefit from the heat protection. Though there was one time (during my inexperienced use of them) I did and was almost dumb enough to grab it with my bare hands... fortunately, I didn't. My friend who knows a lot about them used his IR temp sensor to show me how hot that thing was... hot enough to bake a pizza. Cans can get raging hot after a handful of high powered rifle dumps in a short period -especially out of short/light profile barrels, which is what I use to hunt -but I shoot less than 3 cartridges each deer season. They don't get too bad on pistols, but even then...

Mirage is way worse on small objective scopes. If you are using 50 mm or above, I don't notice so much.

 

[XM25Ren]

I bought this is a novelty. Just cause I’m not a criminal, a

This is about me asking others the purpose of a suppressor wrap. Take your squabbling elsewhere. It’s not wanted or needed here.

He made the statement that had nothing to do with the purpose of a suppressor wrap and his statement was full of hot air! Lies, half truths should always be challenged!

OH, and wrapping the suppressor removes mirages, heat signature and does protect one from accidental burns.

MORE THAN A HOBBY, A PASSION!
REN

 

[XM25Ren]

"Military Potential Test of Noise Suppressors for M16A1 Rifle, Final Report," Gene W. Cole, Capt, USA, United States Infantry Board, Ft Benning, Sept 1968.

This report covers the testing seven types of suppressor designs. two designs from the Human Engineering Laboratory (HEL), Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD, two designs from Frankford Arsenal (FA), Philadelphia, PA, and three designs from the civilian company, SIONICS Corporation [1]. All of the suppressors were to undergo tests to establish firing signature (noise, smoke and flash), accuracy, cyclic rate and reliability, and durability. The durability test was a combination of a grueling 1000 round rapid fire semi-automatic, rapid fire full-automatic, magazine dump, and all of the other data from the other tests. The total number of rounds fired was to be over 6,000 rounds. Regular inspections were carried out over the course of testing, including borescopes of the suppressor's interior.

The SIONICS designs worked fairly well, only two weak spots were identified: the pressure relief valve was weak (the report recommends its elimination), and the Teflon bushing. All three designs had the rear retaining collar worked loose every 100 rounds, requiring regular tightening.

The SIONICS suppressors were better than the FA designs, which vibrated so badly they shook the rivets out of the front sling swivel, and loosen the front sight, but more noisy than the HEL designs.

"Accuracy Test, M16 Heavy Barrel," Ray Orton, Maj, USA, US Army Marksmanship Training Unit, October 1969. This was a 400+ round of one of the SIONICS suppressors. The suppressors managed to last more than 200 rounds.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
1) Studies In the Operational Negation of Insurgents and Counter-Subversion

Thanks for going to the trouble, good reliable honest knowledge is appreciated!

MORE THAN A HOBBY, A PASSION,
REN

 

[nf1e]

I shoot quite a bit of 6.5 Creedmoor in a bolt rifle and an M-14 XM21 and find it only takes a few shots for mirage to appear. Scoped usually with either a Leupold 8.5 - 25 50 mm or NF 5 - 25 - 56 mm. After 25 rnds it's way too hot to handle. Cover helps tremendously. Sure doesn't take too many times touching a hot can to teach us a lesson. Whatta Hobby!.

 

[Capona]

For those that shoot at ranges it makes sense to have a cover, and a holder for the cover. Or spend time sitting around waiting to cool enough to put in your trunk or rifle bag which isn’t rated for high temps.

 

[Jackofalltrades03]

Suppressor covers are for protection from mirage and burned hands (if you are pulling them off to leave, switch guns, whatever, etc.) I can't think of any other reasons why I use mine. I frankly have only used mine a couple times. It certainly works for mirage and insulation. I frankly don't rapid fire enough to benefit from the heat protection. Though there was one time (during my inexperienced use of them) I did and was almost dumb enough to grab it with my bare hands... fortunately, I didn't. My friend who knows a lot about them used his IR temp sensor to show me how hot that thing was... hot enough to bake a pizza. Cans can get raging hot after a handful of high powered rifle dumps in a short period -especially out of short/light profile barrels, which is what I use to hunt -but I shoot less than 3 cartridges each deer season. They don't get too bad on pistols, but even then...

Mirage is way worse on small objective scopes. If you are using 50 mm or above, I don't notice so much.

Remember the more work that they're doing the hotter it's going to get the faster. When you're shooting a lot of low-powered stuff it may take a long time to heat up. Shoot a couple 300 Win mags or something equivalent and it may only take a couple rounds to singe yourself pretty good

 

[EastCountyRedneck]

Remember the more work that they're doing the hotter it's going to get the faster. When you're shooting a lot of low-powered stuff it may take a long time to heat up. Shoot a couple 300 Win mags or something equivalent and it may only take a couple rounds to singe yourself pretty good

This will be for my AR15. I bought as a novelty. Just cause. I still have a few months before they get to my paperwork. I’m just trying to think ahead. Who knows what’ll happen with this country soon with the recession. I may not be able to get one.

 

[Jackofalltrades03]

This will be for my AR15. I bought as a novelty. Just cause. I still have a few months before they get to my paperwork. I’m just trying to think ahead. Who knows what’ll happen with this country soon with the recession. I may not be able to get one.

I use my rimfire suppressor A LOT more than the center fire

 

[nf1e]

I use my rimfire suppressor A LOT more than the center fire

Me too. CZ-457 VPT with Sightron SIII 10-50. Whatta Hobby!