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Hey guys this will be my first post here and I'm looking for alittle advice. I own a few Ar15s but I'm looking into getting a real battlerifle in 7.62 :D

I have been looking at Sprinfield Armory M1As but I can't decide on what barrel lengh to get. I really like how the SOCOM and scout squad rifles look but they arn't traditional and I don't want to sacrafice accuracy or range.

If I get a scout squad rifle what size groups am I looking at @ 100 yards compared to a standard M1A?

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For the time being ...

Bayo lugs are only allowed on the pre-bans ...

I only have the traditional M1As so I cant help ya with answers to the shorties but I am sure that someone will jump in here soon as there are quite a few here who own them.

I don't think that you will have any accuracy problems at all at that range with a Bush or Scout ... They do quite well ...

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which M1A to get

Just my own opinion, but I tend to like the standard lenght M14 clones the best. I like the way they balance when I hold them, also if you do decide to shoot at longer ranges than a hundred yards they do have an advantage. But its your money and if you like the Scout no real reason not to get one.
 

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Welcome Jerad,

The group size @ 100 yards tends to be a little tighter with the Scout.
Something about the 11:1 twist and better harmonics ...

You really don't give up any thing if you get a Scout untill you pass
600 yards or so, then the standard takes over.

I was in your shoes about 2 years ago. Lot's of .223 shootiog but wanted more.
Anyway, I researched, shopped and ended up getting a Scout.
I think it's the best all-around M1A. I think everyone should own one :D
Here is a picture of mine - http://www.athenswater.com/images/NMSCOUT.JPG

Beware the rule of two's - no matter what you buy, you have a good chance of buying the other one sooner than you think :mrgreen:
 

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For my money, you can't beat an SA Standard or Loaded Standard.

For a 1st battlerifle - you ought to get the "real deal".

You can leave it "stock" or dress it up a bit like I did mine.

My M1A .

All said and done - I don't think you can go wrong with a standard or scout. It's just a matter of personal preference. :mrgreen:

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8) Get a standard lenghth but don't get a new SA. Too many problems and not any USGI parts. There are plenty of rifles for sale here and on BR.com for you to end up with a nice one with all USGI parts. An older SA with all or most USGI parts is a good way to start and won't cost you much more than a newer SA. JMHO :wink:
 

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8) I Agree with 30wolverine copletely. :D
 

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Is there somewhere I can go to read up on basic knowledge about M1As? What is the big deal about buying a new SA without USGI Parts? Is the steel not as good or are the parts out of spec.? Since they have a Lifetime warrantee is there really anything to worry about?


I really want an M1A, but I obviously need to learn a little more before I'm ready.

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There is an excellent resource for you right here on the Firing LIne.

"Different", one of our members and an expert in his own right, has written perhaps the very best book on all things related to the M14/M1A. You can find an on-line version of this excellent reference in our Intel section. Here is a LINK
to his site.

BTW - as we sometimes do, we post our opinions about matters like this. IMHO, There is no right or wrong here, just a matter of choice or personal preference. I have the utmost respect for all of the folks posting here on this subject, but I simply have a different point of view. :D :D :D

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30wolverine said:
8) Get a standard lenghth but don't get a new SA. Too many problems and not any USGI parts. There are plenty of rifles for sale here and on BR.com for you to end up with a nice one with all USGI parts. An older SA with all or most USGI parts is a good way to start and won't cost you much more than a newer SA. JMHO :wink:
I bought a new SA (actually I think it was made two years ago) I dont know enough about the subject to comment on the USGI parts aspect, but I will say that I havent had any trouble with mine, it's a doll.
I'm like alot of others, in that I dont care for non- American made products. But, I'm not going to fault a rifle that functions well based on that alone. So, Ive shot it alot since Ive had it, and it performs like it's supposed to (just my 2 cents).
 

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Another Reference

Go to the Smith Enterprise site, in one section he does a comparison of USGI and commercial receivers and parts. Would also look around before buying a SA Inc if you want most or all USGI. Clayton at West Texas Ordinance sell a M14 clone with a Armscorp receiver and all USGI parts for less than a new SA Inc. I like what was posted above about opinions, they are useful a lot of the times as a lot of stuff is subjective but you can certainly pick up trends about certain makers good and bad.
 

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Jerad, to answer your last question I found this on www.AWbansunset.com.

Specifically, a rifle is considered an "assault weapon" if it can accept a detachable magazine, and possesses two or more of the following features:

Folding or telescopic stock
Pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the stock
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor or threaded barrel
Grenade launcher

Among this list of "evil features", only one item initially stands out to the layperson as possibly making the firearm significantly more dangerous, and that is the grenade launcher. However, since grenades and the components to make them are already extremely tightly regulated as "destructive devices", grenade launchers are irrelevant. It would be a fair assumption to say that perhaps "grenade launcher" was added to the list simply to provide a certain degree of shock factor.

Other items on the list at least have some practical purpose.

The most amusing of these by far is the bayonet mount, which is the subject of an infinite number of wise-cracks (such as, "the ban has significantly reduced the number of drive-by bayonettings"). All joking aside, while a bayonet could be useful in either millitary combat, or a home defense situation, if anyone has EVER heard of ANY harm being committed by a criminal armed with a bayonet on an "assault weapon", please tell us about it.

A folding or telescopic stock allows the firearm to more easily be transported and stored, and would also be useful in a home defense situation where maneuverability is important. A flash suppressor reduces the visibility of the bright flash of light that is sometimes produced by firing in the dark. This would be very important for someone defending their family against an intruder in the middle of the night, as the flash would tend to temporarily hamper the shooter's vision.

The pistol grip, being perhaps the most "military-like" feature in appearance, in most cases is a necessity of the firearm's design due to the stock being directly in-line with the bore, as opposed to being lower than the bore as is the case with "traditional" rifles. Because the positioning of the stock in the manner does not provide for a place that the shooter can hold on to with the trigger hand, a pistol grip is used.

None of these things have any significant impact on how deadly a particular firearm is, and each is a legitimately purposeful feature.

Hope this helps.

BigBlockk

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