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You think the army did that in all wars? WWI, WWII, Korea, etc?
I seem to recall being told we'd be charged $160 if we lost an issued 16. I was a combat photographer with the First Infantry Division in '69-'70 and carried an M-3 "grease gun" as my personal weapon. It had been "written off" long before I acquired it.

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You think the army did that in all wars? WWI, WWII, Korea, etc?
That's a really low rent policy in my mind.
 

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I've got another story . . .
another pal I grew up with enlisted when he was 17, was in the Airborne, went to Vietnam in 1966, he ended up with the Rangers, SF, and eventually with the the . . . .
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He was an E-6 when he was 20 years old, so many combat decorations, Silver Stars, etc. . . . He stayed in Vietnam until the end. He did 46 months in Vietnam.

He was another truth teller you could always believe . . . man did he have some stories. He told me that movie "Platoon" was the the most realistic combat scene he ever saw. They were in Cambodia, they'd run out of ammo, the NV and VC were out of ammo. They were all fighting with anything they could get their hands on, E-tools, rocks, fist fighting, anything they could grab as a weapon. It was a jungle street fight.

I think I got off topic here . . . sorry . . .
Korea was the same. I can recall my dad and his Marine buddies taking about sharpening entrenching tools to be used as a rather effective close-in personal weapon. Dad always carried two knives for hand to hand combat.
 

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Meant to ask you veterans . . . What happened to the M-14s the military took back from soldiers in Vietnam?
Did they ship them back to the states? Store them in Vietnam? Any ideas?

Speaking of this, I've wondered for many years what happened to all the U.S. equipment left behind
in Vietnam. If I recall correctly, S. Vietnam was one of the best equipped armies in the world.

I'm sure N. Vietnam did not melt it all down for scrap.
My bet is they made a lot of money selling USGI equipment around the world.

What do you guys think?
 

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I knew a guy who was assigned to our military in Vietnam who got to pick his rifle. He picked the M14 for its ability to penetrate for disabling Booby traps, etc. So it was like a combat engineer tool the reasoning behind picking it. It was after the M16 was fielded, hence the available choice.
 

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Statement of Charges. I once saw a SSG really wanting to give it to a guy who backed over an M16A1 with a deuce and a half in 1983. The Estimated Cost of Damages was under 10 bucks. The SSG was PO'd because he thought the soldier should pay for a whole rifle. The only damage was two broken handguards and a bent gas tube.

Whether he paid anything or got an Article 15, I don't know.
 

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Once back in the 1970s a bunch of us were in a pal's parents station wagon going to a Hendrix concert in Richmond.
It was a Friday night and there was a really bad accident ahead of us on I-95, bunch of hurt people on the road.
We stopped and were pretty near the carnage, then a National Guard convoy comes racing up the side of the interstate
and two trucks pull right up alongside of us and stop to help.
Soldiers are jumping out with their packs and M-14 rifles which they set down up against the guard rail, then run to help the people.
To make a long story short, after they were done they jumped back in the trucks and begin racing off.
We were all standing there looking at all these rifles, then looking at each other, wondering what to do.
All of a sudden the truck in the distance brake lights come on, the truck began racing back to us in reverse.
The soldiers all jump out and begin feverishly thanking us for watching their equipment.
Wow! What would have happened to them had we grabbed everything and took off?
Those of us still around today still talk about that night.
 

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May have been bad for them... probably worse for you.
Yeah, we all knew that and later discussed it. Funny thing is that not one of us actually thought of taking that equipment.
We were wanting to get to the concert and were gonna be way late due to the delay. The state troopers had left, the army trucks had left,
and we were still standing by the guard rail wondering what to do. We couldn't just leave. We were afraid to put it all in the station wagon
and try to catch up because if we got stopped no one would believe us that we were trying to catch the trucks. So we were stuck!

And thank goodness we saw the brake lights come on. That truck must have been doing 65 mph in reverse!

Talked to my friend last night, our "wheel man" he said this happened in 1968 or Spring of 1969.
He went in the army in June 1969 and off to Vietnam. It was a hot night too, so he is thinking summer of 1968.
He also said most of the car's other occupants were also in Vietnam from summer of 1969 on wards.
He also corrected me that it was not the Hendrix concert we went to, but he could not recall which one it was.
This guy, the driver, was the combat engineer I referred to in my post here.
 
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