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So this will probably be a bit controversial and I know that fake optics are a bit of a touchy subject for some, but I thought I'd come from a little bit of a different perspective and talk about actually using one of these fake sights.

I've had a fake Aimpoint Comp M2 and mount for about 5 years. A friend of mine gave it to me for free because he didn't see any value in it after he got his refund from paypal. It's difficult to say where and when it was made, but I think China would be a good bet. Now why would someone put a 15$ fake red dot on a 1600$ rifle? Well, mostly because I could and also because real Aimpoints are expensive.

So what is it like to use? Well I have to say I actually quite like it. It's stood up to 250 rounds of the recoil of my (albiet heavy) rifle and and about 700 rounds on my AR. It also holds zero surprisingly well. I was issued a real Comp M4 in the guard and although the quality is not the same, the dot and glass are clear, there isn't any ghosting and it works about the same. The only real difference is that the fake has a blue "tint" to the glass and the close element glass is much more reflective than on the real deal. This means that if the lighting is wrong you will see your own face instead of the target. Of course the dot is also larger on the fake, but it also has green dot settings which is kind of interesting although I almost never use them.

Now, I would never trust my life to this scope, but I trust it enough to have fun at the range. All in all, I'd say this red dot is worth a few bucks for light duty. I definitely be pissed if I paid 400$ for this, but for free I'm very pleased.



 

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I've also used Fakepoints on range toys ( I'd be leerly of using one on a hunt and especially leery on the two-way range ). Honestly, I have not had one Fakepoint fail and most recently I compared a $50 Fakepoint to my $400 Aimpoint PRO and guess what ? Yep, both worked perfectly. Darn Chinese - sure can copy some stuff good.
 

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They really can, honestly it's shocking how well they've copied these things for the price, which I believe is around $30 retail. I had a EOFake a while back though and that thing broke after one day.
 

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remember these things and not just to copy a manufactures product but they are for air soft guns how well will they hold up under real conditions is what you should consider. To use them for training is a good idea but don't take them to a class. If you go to a class and at the end of 5 days and 1200 rounds the thing holds up you have a winner. But I think at the end of a day of hard core use you my find different.
 

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Really ok for range use, mount it on your sons Red Rider, he'll have a quality optic. As for your use if it holds POA,POI after 700 rounds then you have banked $ 600.00. Use it and tell everyone you meet what you did not have to spend on it. But please put it through it's paces hardcore before you want this as a primary optic
 

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The only real difference is a blue tint..


You sir are a boob.

I mean that in the most jovial friend ribbing way.



Take your clone optic, attach it to a 7 pound rifle and throw it. Toss that mofo.

It's called the aimpoint toss...and that's the difference.
 

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Well I've dropped it a few times on my 10 pound Socom II, although only from about 4 feet onto grass, but then again I never intended to use it for tactical shooting or anything really hard core. I don't really do 3gun or anything like that so really all it needs to stand up to is me standing or sitting at the range and shooting, which it has done pretty well considering, and I'm proficient with my irons so worst case I just take it off and trash it.

As for holding zero, I only had to zero it twice, once on each rifle, so I'd say that's pretty good. Still wouldn't take this thing to Kandehar though.
 

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I don't know if the controversial part of the knockoff discussion is about the moral and legal angle.

This is how I see it. One of the ideals that build this country, and other countries that operate on capitalism, is personal property. Patents and trademarks are personal property.

There are many inexpensive sights that are marketed honestly as inexpensive sights. Those are reasonable options.

However, in my opinion, the purchase of counterfeit gear is the equivalent of stealing. The people who own the underlying trademarks and patents worked hard, provided employment, risked their time and money, and are entitled to the rewards. I would not buy counterfeit equipment for the same reason I don't buy ivory. I connect the dots backwards. I don't support poachers or thieves.
 

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The only real difference is a blue tint..


You sir are a boob.

I mean that in the most jovial friend ribbing way.



Take your clone optic, attach it to a 7 pound rifle and throw it. Toss that mofo.

It's called the aimpoint toss...and that's the difference.
wow lol toss a gun GI3 i would never toss a gun to the ground.
i only have dropped one. a revolver learning to twirl like a cowboy.
yes he has a cheap scope but was free and seems to be working.
a bad toss could break about any sights.
Lruss
 

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I don't know if the controversial part of the knockoff discussion is about the moral and legal angle.
What is your opinion on the Primary Arms red dots then? https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_s/586.htm

Granted, they aren't marketed as the real deal, but it's pretty obvious where they drew the inspiration for the "Classic" red dot, and to a lesser extent the Micro Dot. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they are pretty much the same as mine except mine has aimpoint written on it.

Most of these fake Aimpoints are sold as fakes or copies for airsoft use as it's difficult to pass something like this off as the real thing and most payment solutions are tough on sellers who sell fakes as originals. Is this a morally acceptable thing to do if they are marketed as fakes? Well, that's more difficult to say, definitely not legal either way.
 

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I have several Primary Arms optics including the Aimpoint Pro looking one and they been great. What's more is their customer service is wonderful. Yes they're made in China, they'll tell you this but they also tell you they are made to their quality standards.
 

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There is another thread going on about GOOD red dots under $200.00. What is your definition of good.......Mine is combat ready!! If you would not go war with your optic, why put it on your Centerfire Rifle!! (Full disclosure I have never been in combat and I do not plan to)..............but if you are going to spend the money on a "combat quality rifle" why not get the best optic!! Now that being said "cheap" red dots have a place in this world on Rimfire stuff. I would love to find a couple FakePoints like the one in the OP for placing on my wife's GSG5 and my CMMG .22 upper. Then I would have a couple more EoTech's for use on other rifles. GI2
 

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Was looking for a cheap red dot years ago at a gun show. Found one, no markings on the display demo, it fit my requirements, and I took it home. Opened the box and guess what, Aimpoint marked but obviously a knockoff. Even the box (inside a plain cardboard box, was marked Aimpoint. It looked just like one off the shelf at my local GS. On mine, the Aimpoint logo is molded in, but not white-lettered. I think it's at least 10 years old by now and still works fine. I'm surprised I haven't heard of Aimpoint attending gun shows looking for counterfeit gear, there's got to be a boatload of it out there.

Bruce
 
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