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My buddy (some buddy!) has convinced me to build an M-1A. OK, so I'm enjoying the project enough that I don't hate him.

He recommended I focus on TRW parts. Heck, any company that built the rocket motors for the Apollo program has got to have some excellent engineering skills.

So, did they know how to build rifles? What are the opinions on the forum on TRW, versus other contractors?

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Unless you are deep in the pockets or just a serious collector then I wouldn't bother looking for all trw parts. Sure they are good but not any better than any other gi parts. There are differences but they are minor and isn't worth the extra cost to me. TRW prices get jacked just because everyone thinks they have some magical powers and will never wear out. Winchester used to be pretty high just because of the name. Just concentrate on finding GOOD parts instead of a particular brand. Buy them from a reputable dealer and don't worry about the name. As long as they are gi. I've built a lot of rifles on parts other than trw and never had a problem yet.
 

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just to add to what Dan said.... you may want to gather all of the same manufacturer parts if possible as it would be worth more in resale if it's all the same....not that you'd ever sell it 8O At the bare minimum ya can start by having the barrel and bolt the same and then work from there....

as I see it there are basically three reasons for the quick jump in prices on USGI M-14 parts....

The Military started using them again and have stopped releasing parts for surplus through the CMP prorgam....

businesses have been buying them up in order to build rifles for sale as well as hoarding them til the price goes up even further.....

and , the e-Bay nightmare which is oprobably the biggest.... you see parts that were going for $50 - $75 a year ago going for in upwards of $150

For example: I bought two USGI (Springfield and TRW) for $99.95 each not so long ago and now you'd expect to pay over $300 for the same....
The people that usually bid on ebay, for some reason don't do their homework or are in such a big hurry that they will pay a lot more for parts than their current value. This is also one of the largest reasons that businesses selling USGI parts have raised their prices also.... they figure that if they are going for that much on eBay, then why shouldn't I get that much for them too.....

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To be clear, I'm not trying to build a collector gun with 100% TRW. I'm building a match gun, and will have a Krieger barrel. I am trying to figure if I have a choice for the same price or a modest increase, is TRW any better or worse than any other brand for my purpose.

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I'm doing the build myself. I'll have Krieger barrel the action, chamber, headspace, and install the op rod guide. I will route the stock, glass it, and do assembly. I've got a buddy who was an armorer, so he won't let me screw up too badly, and I'm sure I'll be posting questions as I run into issues, but in the end it will be my rifle, that I built.

And a damn fine rifle it will be. And I'll be proud of all the cussing I did to get from here to there. :D

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the reward and satisfaction of doing it yourself is almost priceless.... at least to me anyway.....

I did the whole deal including installing, indexing and headspacing the bolt....Mine will never be sold and left as a family heirloom :mrgreen:

"This is my rifle....there are many like it but this one is mine....."
 

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Hi Art7:

I definitely agree with the folks here... Prices are out of this world for parts!

I think the most important, would be the tolerances and specs of the parts that you are putting in and how well each part mates to each other. Depending on the receiver, you or your 'smith may need to alter the specs or parts a bit (it the receiver is out of spec) for best fit and functionality.

Have you decided on a particular receiver? LRB has been getting some really good "press" and those who own/build are very happy with them...

A Krieger barrel is awesome... but the whole will only be as good as the sum of its parts... IMHO... so take your time, use good quality materials and parts, and I am sure you will have a rifle that you will "treasure"...

Good Luck... You have a wealth of resources here on this board! :lol:

Main thing though... Have FUN!

Aloha,

Tom O.
 

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A few parts you can afford to go with non-USGI to keep the cost down. From my experience, the SA Inc NM front sight is good quality. My SA Inc NM flash suppressor is showing some gas cutting with only 7K+ rounds through her, but there are other repro flash hiders that are of better quality (e.g. DPMS makes their own and the ones that Ted Brown sells are supposed to be very good). You may be able to find some of the M1 parts that are interchangeable with the M14 parts for cheaper, too.

IMHO, the gas system, bolt assembly, trigger group and rear sight assembly are the most important parts to make sure they're USGI (besides the receiver, which we can't get here in the US without paying an arm and a leg and jumping through the BATFE hoops). TRW made the best op-rods, but I haven't had a problem with my SA Inc op-rod in over 7k rounds. Chinese op-rods are supposed to be of good qualilty, too.
 

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I recently built up two M1a's from my stockpile of CMP parts. One was "all TRW". The bolt, trigger group and operating rod are the only things marked TRW. The gas cylinder is unmarked, the buttplate, the flashsuppessor too. The stock was an aftermarket heavy match. The NM rear sights were too. And the Douglas heavy barrel is certainly not GI.

So did TRW parts add to my on paper accuracy?: No, can’t say I saw a difference.

I have two Super Matches, two NM M1a’s, and one “standard” grade. I got my Distinguished with a M1a. On paper the part mfgr does not matter. The gunsmithing skills of the guy who put your rifle together and your ability matter more than the part mfgr does.

Because TRW built the only Government factory accepted NM rifles, TRW parts got a reputation for being premium parts. Certainly TRW built high quality parts. What about the other builders?. All GI parts were built to GI drawings which had the same dimensions and material requirements. All GI rifles had to pass the same functionality tests and specs. Of course HRA had bolts frag, we all read about it right? So they corrected the process added 100% inspection and I expect that later HRA bolts were all double plus good. We just have not heard about the problems the other builders had, and trust me, every factory has a learning curve. And unless someone has lot acceptance data, parts reject data, how can anyone now say that one mfgr's parts were "better" than another. (Especially after 50 years of time has passed?) And what makes them "better"?. Without gauging and metallurgical analyses of hundreds of parts, how can anyone definitely say that one guys parts are better than another?

Any differences are probably due to someone getting an increased profit margin through advertizing.

My criteria for part selection

1. GI parts
2. Best overall condition
3. I prefer TRW and SA all things considered.
4. Absolutely no hesitation to use any brand of GI parts if they are in new condition.
 

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:D I shot with an Army Rifle Team in Competition in Germany in the Mid 60s, The Rifle I shot was an H&R Rack Grade M-14 I did very well and I thought that it was the Best and most Accurate Rifle in the World, I to this Day still Love That Thing, It was not until the mid 90s until I shot my first TRW Rifle and I started wishing in Hindsight That H&R Rifle had had a TRW Barrell on it. :wink:
 

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Ditto on all of the replies above.

In the marketplace today ref. good/serviceable USGI parts, finding a affordable source maybe your biggest concern vs specific maker.

All makers had to meet Goverment specs, so get them while they last.
 
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