[SOCOM42]

Sai's junk would never meet government standards. They may sell some accesories but not rifles. Imo

 

[tonyben]

To the best of my knowledge, there are only 10 SAI rifles in service with the military. These were custom built by an unknown builder and then rebuilt by Art Luppino when they failed to perform for the unit that was testing them. This all happened before the introduction of the SOCOM. I'll look for links to previous discussions.

Tony.

Updated quote from a thread in 2007...

In the 1980's I built 10 M1A's, all double lug match grade rifles, for U.S. Navy Seal Team 3. The Bill was paid via U.S. Dept. Of Defense. I do not know if they were ever used in sercice.

http://m14forum.com/m14/47511-m1a-service.html

It's also mentioned that it is possible that individual contractors could be using M1A's "over there". So in a sense, sure some M1A's may be seeing battle in one sense.

 

[Hiram325]

Sai's junk would never meet government standards. They may sell some accesories but not rifles. Imo

You guys crack me up...

 

[tonyben]

Here's another thread from a long time ago...

http://m14forum.com/m14/61154-question-about-sai-govt-contracts.html

 

[USNGMCsw]

I have seen SAI barrels on MK14 Mod 0 EBRs at Crane, but I highly doubt there are any SAI receivers in the military's inventory.

 

[Different]

Private military contractors have used SA, Inc. M1A rifles in Iraq.

 

[Powerkicker]

Thanks all. I didn't think there was truth to the claim of them currently making rifles for the Marines, etc.

 

[trigger643]

there was one military contract I am aware of, but it wasn't US....

 

[Powerkicker]

there was one military contract I am aware of, but it wasn't US....

Pretty cool!

 

[bd111]

Thanks all. I didn't think there was truth to the claim of them currently making rifles for the Marines, etc.

It'd be a huge surprise for our U.S. military to let us in on the details of these kinds of small procurements. Even members of Congress have a hard time getting info, usually have to work the grapevine until they can ID and call a particular DOD employee who knows.

I've heard and read over the years that USDOD in fact did and does make purchases from SAI from time to time. Whether these have been for rifles, pistols, or spare parts I don't know. But I'd have no reason to think the CS lady at SAI was fibbing.

 

[Gearjammer]

It probably wasn't official contract, ask what the "NSN" number for the contract was.

That said. Units have a certain amount of discretionary spending they are allowed for a deployment to fill holes in what the unit sees as a emergency need. Some INDIVIDUAL UNITS i have read when deploying to Iraqistan or Asscrackistan had bought some M1A'S on their own when there weren't enough original M-14's to be handed out. This is NOT the same thing as "official issue".

 

[Reaper6]

there was one military contract I am aware of, but it wasn't US....

IDF038 now resides with me. It is not a military contract rifle or receiver from any country. It was a limited production run made by SAI for commercial sales. They used USGI parts that had been imported back from Israel.

 

[nSquid]

It'd be a huge surprise for our U.S. military to let us in on the details of these kinds of small procurements. Even members of Congress have a hard time getting info, usually have to work the grapevine until they can ID and call a particular DOD employee who knows.

I've heard and read over the years that USDOD in fact did and does make purchases from SAI from time to time. Whether these have been for rifles, pistols, or spare parts I don't know. But I'd have no reason to think the CS lady at SAI was fibbing.

Even members of Congress... who cannot pass national security screening for a basic Q Clearance! You would be amazed at how poorly Congressional people fair with background security checks. Kills the "Need to Know" issue at the seed.

 

[Gus Fisher]

I'm too old, too fat, too out of shape and too broken down to go back into combat. However, if I had had the choice of my Walter Mitty rifle with an SAinc receiver over an issued M16A2 back when I was on active duty, there is no doubt I would have chosen the Walter Mitty rifle with the SAinc receiver.

Of course, they don't ALLOW you to carry a personally owned firearm in a combat or operational zone since at least the deployment to Mogadishu, Somalia in the early 90's. I know because I wanted to take my personally customized Combat Commander for which I had both .45 and 9mm conversion kits I installed and the mags to go with them.

 

[trigger643]

IDF038 now resides with me. It is not a military contract rifle or receiver from any country. It was a limited production run made by SAI for commercial sales. They used USGI parts that had been imported back from Israel.

...oh, those tricky little marketing bastids... my mistake. thanks for clearing that up...

 

[GeneCo]

I'd be interested to know if they're standard, NM, USGI, 22" , 18" or Socom.

 

[Whatsinaname181]

Sai's junk would never meet government standards. They may sell some accesories but not rifles. Imo

haha keep telling yourself that.

 

[AndyB.]

haha keep telling yourself that.

If you knew his background/credentials I think you would probably just agree with him

 

[Whatsinaname181]

If you knew his background/credentials I think you would probably just agree with him

ive yet to have a problem with mine. Please educate me then, because im always willing to learn. Every company has their lemons, but if they were half as bad as some people say, they would be out of business i think...