Yup, found that and was coming back to edit my post as such. When it comes closer to time to buy, I'll definitely pitch in $10.As a new member you'll need to read this concerning PX/BX access.
Alot more like another $1000+ plus more when you guys finally add up all the parts and labor. Dont get our newbie to confused about the group buy. Theres lots more to be done when those barreled actions come in. Op rod, gas cylinder and flash hider will probably be running people another $800 by themselves and you are still far from done...2.5 MOA should be doable without too much effort. Check out the LRB group buy in the group buy forum and you can get a very nice starting setup for near that amount (probably more including all the accessories and small parts but it will be worth it).
Ha! Well that depends. Sometimes yes, sometimes no, but the person installing the parts needs to know what he's doing too. The M14 isnt like Leggos or the AR. There is some special fitting that needs to be done by experienced hands...Are the new Springfield's still able to accept USGI parts? I've seen mixed information regarding that. I had initially leaned towards a Loaded, but I'm still in the "information gathering" stage.
True, but I did it the Springfield way first, and now I wish I went with the LRB, even it cost me more. Heck, the M25 receiver is a bargain just for not having to buy a $200+ scope mount later on. Live and learn I guess...Alot more like another $1000+ plus more when you guys finally add up all the parts and labor. Dont get our newbie to confused about the group buy. Theres lots more to be done when those barreled actions come in. Op rod, gas cylinder and flash hider will probably be running people another $800 by themselves and you are still far from done...
Chrome, not saying the group buy isnt a good deal. The LRB is about the best receiver out there, but this is far from a full working rifle that folks are buying....
MOA is dependent on the gun, the ammo and shooter. There is never a guarantee. Some days you will shoot it, some days you might shoot better, some worse, but 2.5 is not asking too much from it...Yup, the LRB deal may be a good one, but not what I'm looking for for now. Budget is only SEMI flexible, not enough to assemble a rifle or I'd be looking at an assembled LRB rifle anyways.
As far as the accuracy requirement, is 2 - 2.5MOA out side of the capability of a Standard? Am I correct looking at the Loaded or is that superfluous money spent? Looks like the biggest difference is the NM barrel.
When I shoot my Garand from position I can hold 4 MOA easily, 3 on a good day. I'm getting better with practice, so I want a rifle that's going to perform well. No need for a >1 MOA shooter yet.
No need to worry about scope mounts. I shoot with irons on all my "combat" rifles.
As for the parts interchanging, I know they're not Legos and parts need to be fitted. What I'm concerned about is being able to source durable parts easily that aren't dependent on the SAI factory. So, what is the story on these? Lots of mixed info floating around and it is hard to follow.
I dont know. I dont think you get the hooded rear site until you get to the NM model. Again, I dont know. I was under the assumption that the Loaded just came with a NM barrel. Springfield is too contrived when it comes to models as far as Im concerned. I own them, have owned 5 total throughout the years, but dont know what it is they do now in their different level rifles other than the Standards and the SuperMatches. In between that, ....? Why bother...? Either just get the standard and do your own mods over time, or get the SuperMatch and just be done with it...thats my take on it with Springfield...Thanks for the info. You guessed it, I'm 25 so the M14 wasn't prominent until I started getting more into shooting. I'm from the AR generation I guess, but I do very much enjoy my Garand, and have wanted an M14 for a long while now.
As for the accuracy issue, I understand there are no guarantees and a variety of factors that weigh in. I was just looking for a generality, and it seems you guys feel 2.5 MOA isn't asking too much.
A build is nice, but I may be completely satisfied with a nice factory one upgraded as I grow with the rifle.
With a Loaded model, the only thing I see wanting right off the bat is a hooded rear sight.
I'm on my fourth M1A, and all were 2.5" MOA or better right out of the box except my Scout Squad. Now that I've done the tweaks shown in the stickies, Suzie Scout easily holds 2.5 inch @ a hundred.I was just looking for a generality, and it seems you guys feel 2.5 MOA isn't asking too much.
I dunno...But if I was a young Trooper today in Iraq or Afghanistan, or 'elsewhere'...and had an M14 to pick up...I hate to say it, but you are starting in this game a little late in life or you are young and missed the "glory days" of the M14 (though that is changing a bit).
I agree, the 14's finest hour is surely happening right now, overseas. I just meant in terms of the days when vendors were overflowing with GI parts and the rifle ruled Rodriguez and Viale....I dunno...But if I was a young Trooper today in Iraq or Afghanistan, or 'elsewhere'...and had an M14 to pick up...
I might Think That THESE ARE THE GLORY DAYS OF THE M14!!!
(Some of those SEI and other Mods I have seen photos of Over There are Pretty Sweet!)...
In Comparison to VN...There's Not Just A Lot More 'Bells and Whistles'...The M14 'Shooter' of Today Has Better Equipment and Optics and Ammo Than We Did!
Just MY Personal Opinion...
CAVman in WYoming