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To answer your core question.... IMNSHO the M14 would be my pick because I think it gets the nod due to it's more dependable and superior gas system.

But a good man with a Garand can still be a force to be reckoned with.

My Uncle John along with the rest of the 82nd Airborne Infantry, stepped out of perfectly good C-47's into the night skies over Normandy with an M-1 Garand and he had nothing but praise for it.

My M-1 served me well when called upon in the Nam to make a telling shot, so my family has a long history with the world finest battle implement to come out of WW2.

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Whichever "fits" and handles better for the shooter, same way you'd choose between 2 good shotguns. For me it happens to be the U.S. Rifle M1 Cal. .30. Speedy loading with en bloc clips takes time and practice, but the 14's extended magazine has no decided advantage semi-only. It can be a nuisance.
Just picked up my M14 a few hours ago and have yet to shoot it and also have an M1 30 Carbine and gotta say it loads fast, stays steady on rapid fire and is a well balanced weapon...but obviously it doesn't have that .308 punch...I'd keep one or the other strapped on my back!

Sawed off 10ga Super Goose for the trenches...


Oops, sorry for bringing up an old thread...I'll try to pay closer attention in the future.
 

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Let's pretend that we have two 308(7.62 NATO) battle rifles (no optics). One M1 Garand and one semi-auto M14. Both are built perfectly to spec, and have flawless parts that interface impeccably. But wait, China, North Korea, Iran and Barak Obama have formed an unholy union contrived to replace our American values and way of life with a theocratic socialist totaltarian dictatorship. Fret not my friends, we're prepared. We established a stronghold in the mountains years ago because we forsaw this day. News of the invasion spreads and we are faced with a tough choice. Only being able to take one, do we grab the Garand, or the M14 (this question is to be answered by the main question below)? We will eventually take back our country but until we increase our numbers, our mission objective will be simply to provide security and sustenance. Magazines/clips aren't an issue, nor is ammo. So, with that being the case...

Regarding durability, which rifle would continue functioning longer with regular maintenance but no spare parts?

Remeber, these rifles are "new" at the start of the invasion.
Using the above "game rules", the answer is M14.
"continue functioning longer" does not necessarily mean broken or disabled. The Garand can have timing issues, en bloc issues, gas system/op rod issues, and needs more resupply of ammo because 8 rounds runs out sooner than 20 (yes trained operators can reload the Garand as fast as an M14 but in the heat of battle 3 en bloc swaps to 1 mag change or stripper top off lends itself to more chance of error).
There are no "New" M1 Garands out there, the parts are used to some degree,
the design of the M14 was and does include the stripper clip guide (no optics rule) which means the magazine doesn't have to be removed, means the weapon can run on 1 mag, this is in fact how the weapon was originally designed, the ability to top off the weapon was one of the big problems of the M1, if you have 3 rounds left in the Garand the top off requires the operator to dump the en bloc leaving the operator with an empty weapon, the M14 with 3 rounds left can be topped off without an empty weapon, the en bloc on the ground with 3 lost rounds requires 5 new rounds combined with the 3 be reloaded in the en bloc or as what happend in the wars the operator dumped the en bloc, wasted the ammo, en bloc, and installed a loaded en bloc, leaving wasted ammo on the ground.
The concept of a reliable weapon must include being able to pull the trigger, having the weapon fire and hitting the target, it does not matter why the weapon did not go bang or the bullet did not hit its target, running out of ammo, having to reload more often (3 to 1 reloads), wasting ammo for reload, broken parts, out of time malfunctions, muzzle blindness from flash at night (flash hiders do work), position identifcation (dust signature) all equal the same thing, no bang, miss, or being discovered and shot at, all are malfuctions, as long as "function" is 1 shot 1 kill, a competent operator should strive for and believe that a fired bullet should equal a dead opponent.
Aimed and sustained fire equals a higher probablity of survival.
My .02


20 minute latter add to post, chrome lined barrel. I believe chrome lined barrels are underestimated. Nato spec chamber combined with chrome lowers the malfunction ratio of the M14. Prevention of failure to extract, failure to feed, slowing throat erosion, and ease of cleaning are the benefits of chrome.
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If I understood right then to play in your scenerio and as you stated the point is to take our country back. so in order to do that we need to increase our numbers, then i would take someone that has no guns and give him my M1 and i would take my M21 to the hillsGI7
I DID NOT WRITE THIS COMMENT> maybe it was EDITED by adm.
 

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SCORP, look at post #47 of this thread.

BTW, we prefer not to edit anyone's posts but make a note on the post if we have to.

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Dang, Jake2far beat me too it, "chrome lined"

All things being equal, I'd go with the m14, as long as it's go good USGI parts. It's got less moving parts, more mag capacity, and to me most importantly a chrome lined bore. That said I wouldn't feel under gunned with either.
 

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Grab either one that's closest to me at the time. Use it up, get another. M1A, Garand, AR, AK, rem 700. Use whatever you can till you get smoked or it comes down to beating the hell out of one another with your helmet or a rock..
 

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I would rather go against a squad of "amatuers" with the M14 than a single rifleman with an M1.

Old warhorse yes, outdated not by a long shot.

I would still opt for the M1A though for this scenario...GITEN
I totally agree and I will go one step further back into time to resurrect the 1903 Springfield. I would put a rifleman who has the skill set and tactical acumen of Sergeant Alvin York, up against the average rifleman with his choice of modern hardware. The bottom line, it's not the rifle it's the rifleman.



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10-22 Ruger: I can carry thousands of rounds without a major weight penalty. 22 rimfire is is the most available of anything. It is quiet, for them times you might have raging zombie issues. I can stock up 10's of thousands of rounds cheaper than anything else. I have no problem hitting a target the size of a persons throat at 200yds yet with it. No recoil for instant follow ups. Rifle itself is light. And failure rate for a 22 rifle such as a Ruger is like unheard of.

Sure my AR, M1carbine or M21 are fine rifles, but I could defend myself really well with just a 10-22.

Re: I guess I should have read the post. To answer that question, my choice is the M14 rifle hands down. It's a better platform.
 

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I would not bother to own either one, due to problems with concealment, ammo replacement, handiness with a sound suppressor, weigh, bulk, etc, much less consider it the "ultimate".
 

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I went back and read my post I see your question, I corrected the text to make it proper.

Chrome chambers have lower friction allowing the case to be extracted, resists dirt/sand locking case in chamber, allows extraction when the weapon gets hot, same for feeding, cleans easier, since stuff won't stick keeps the feed and extraction cycle working, is harder somewhere near 60c rockwell, harder surface doesn't scratch or deform as easy, keeps from making a rough surface which can cause extraction problems.
Throat erosion, flame, heat, powder particles won't etch or cut the metal as fast as plain steel, keeps copper fouling down, allows for a higher rate of fire.
In general chrome is a good thing, only complaint is it can open up your groups, not sure about this complaint as my most accurate barrel is a chrome TRW barrel on my match rifle.
The concept of a battle rifle should be minute of man out to 600 yards, this system will hold minute of man out to that distance.

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Have a chrome line barrel very accurate.......One man one gun concept is hard to beat
As for a choice of weapons and a choice of battle ground I win....
When it comes to seek and distroy the AR platform with something other than
a 5.56 round unless were shooting varmints and smaller than a coyote.....
Learned earlier in life that the M-16 with a FMJ doesnt get the job done........
With the bugs out of the M-16 to the M-4 now carring a 6.5 the 6.8 will be a
little better choice.
Carried the M-14 like it and it would be my first choice for my defense of family
country and our way of life......less our present state of trouble.....In God I trust,
and will...............
 

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I would not bother to own either one, due to problems with concealment, ammo replacement, handiness with a sound suppressor, weigh, bulk, etc, much less consider it the "ultimate".
bille?

Are you responding to the Original Question on this Thread, or some later Post?

Just Curious?

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I made my choice a while ago.

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This is like choosing between your HS sweetheart and your wife...

Id choose the M1A in scout configuration and as many mags as I could get a hold of and barring the mags as much 308 in stripper clips as I can get. With the optic mounted forward I can always feed the lady with the stripper clips if multiple mags become an issue.

If this ever happened though, would have to use whatever I was the best shot with, I dont care if thats a ar, an m1 a 1903 or a lever gun if I can keep feeding it and keep hitting with it, its coming with me.
 
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