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Let's pretend that we have two 308(7.62 NATO) battle rifles (no optics). One M1 Garand and one semi-auto M14. Both are built perfectly to spec, and have flawless parts that interface impeccably. But wait, China, North Korea, Iran and Barak Obama have formed an unholy union contrived to replace our American values and way of life with a theocratic socialist totaltarian dictatorship. Fret not my friends, we're prepared. We established a stronghold in the mountains years ago because we forsaw this day. News of the invasion spreads and we are faced with a tough choice. Only being able to take one, do we grab the Garand, or the M14 (this question is to be answered by the main question below)? We will eventually take back our country but until we increase our numbers, our mission objective will be simply to provide security and sustenance. Magazines/clips aren't an issue, nor is ammo. So, with that being the case...

Regarding durability, which rifle would continue functioning longer with regular maintenance but no spare parts?

Remeber, these rifles are "new" at the start of the invasion.
 

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M-14. 20-30 round mags, EBR stock that allows bipods, scopes, lasers etc. Sorry but the M-1 is obselete. Stripper clips go cling when you are done, and they aren't in every gun store/ammo dealer. You need to have a weapon chambered in readily available ammo calibers. The US Military uses 7.62, not 30.06. After a battle no dead enemy will have grandpappy's ammo on him. I refuse to fight with 8 rds versus 20-30 for the other guy. JMHO
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M-14. 20-30 round mags, EBR stock that allows bipods, scopes, lasers etc. Sorry but the M-1 is obselete. Stripper clips go cling when you are done, and they aren't in every gun store/ammo dealer. You need to have a weapon chambered in readily available ammo calibers. The US Military uses 7.62, not 30.06. After a battle no dead enemy will have grandpappy's ammo on him. I refuse to fight with 8 rds versus 20-30 for the other guy. JMHO
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I would rather go against a squad of "amatuers" with the M14 than a single rifleman with an M1.

Old warhorse yes, outdated not by a long shot.

I would still opt for the M1A though for this scenario...GITEN
 

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Before we even get into this, what this, the other side using??

Interesting question for a first time post....
 

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Let's pretend that we have two 308(7.62 NATO) battle rifles (no optics). One M1 Garand and one semi-auto M14. Both are built perfectly to spec, and have flawless parts that interface impeccably. But wait, China, North Korea, Iran and Barak Obama have formed an unholy union contrived to replace our American values and way of life with a theocratic socialist totaltarian dictatorship. Fret not my friends, we're prepared. We established a stronghold in the mountains years ago because we forsaw this day. News of the invasion spreads and we are faced with a tough choice. Only being able to take one, do we grab the Garand, or the M14 (this question is to be answered by the main question below)? We will eventually take back our country but until we increase our numbers, our mission objective will be simply to provide security and sustenance. Magazines/clips aren't an issue, nor is ammo. So, with that being the case...

Regarding durability, which rifle would continue functioning longer with regular maintenance but no spare parts?

Remeber, these rifles are "new" at the start of the invasion.
Is this the season where there's no daylight up there?
 

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Let's pretend that we have two 308(7.62 NATO) battle rifles (no optics). One M1 Garand and one semi-auto M14. Both are built perfectly to spec, and have flawless parts that interface impeccably.
I'm going to 'quibble' with the basic premise as being unrealistic...
I'll bet not one out of 1,000 Garands out there is Chambered in 7.62mm/.308!
Maybe You have one, or maybe you are just are thinking about buying one...however they are in fact relatively scarce...
And...to play within your 'scenario'...how many other guys in your 'stronghold' are going to have M1's Converted to .308?
That alone should give you pause...
(and...which 'Could Be'...Converted to Full Auto?)
If You want .308...Then go with the M14!

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M1A, all the way!
 
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Whichever "fits" and handles better for the shooter, same way you'd choose between 2 good shotguns. For me it happens to be the U.S. Rifle M1 Cal. .30. Speedy loading with en bloc clips takes time and practice, but the 14's extended magazine has no decided advantage semi-only. It can be a nuisance.
 

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The 30-06 is the most common round out there in the US. However, most of it is not compatable with the Garand's gas system.
The 308 Win/7.62NATO is still issue ammo with the US military, and therefore one could get resupplied, if somewhat haphazardly. The M14/M1A rifle's gas system is a bit stronger and can handle commercial ammo somewhat better than the Garand.
The Garand would be fine if one added an adjustable gas plug so one could use commercial ammo.
A trained man on a Garand can keep up with a trained man on an M14/M1A style rifle. It is slightly quicker to reload the en blocs than it is to change a magazine.
But, en blocs get lost easier than magazines.
I would not feel out gunned, or put out if I was given a Garand, in fact I love the rifle, However, I think my weapon of choice would be the M14/M1A style rifle.

Edited: Dooohhh!!! I missed the part about the Garand being in 308. However, the rest of my comments still stand. M1A/M14 has a stronger, self regulating gas system, which enables it to use more types of commercial ammo than the Garand.
 

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But, isn't their a problem with using modern .30-06 in garands? I know there is the adjustable gas plug, but I hear it isn't so reliable. I'd go m1a just based on that. .308 is readily available for the most part.
 

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funny this should come up.

As the defensive arm of the household rotates in a German manner.,

We have men armed with garands, who back up the guy with the M1A. the M1A would be better suited as a base of fire, allowign the riflemen armed with Garands to flank and menouver.


And as a test, several times, i have kept up with my brother, I on the Garand and him on the M1A. Now not to say that the M1A is not fun to bump fire, but the Garand can still hold its own.


In such a scenario where i might/would have to leave and go out ode choose the M1A platform, because it does allow for its self to be a base of fire with a 20 round magazine.

However, the Garands heavier front end helps control rising recoil better, even if it is limited to 8 rounds.

My fear with bringing a Garand is the lack of enblocs, eventually you will run out of them. They fly out of the gun, and where i live, unless your fighting inside you yard, good luck finding them.

with that said, if one could mfg enblocs simply then ide choose the Garand, being that a Garand with an endless supply of Enblocks and an adjustable gas plug and a Fixed Bayonet has endless opportunities.

Especially if it is a Mini-G, which IMO would be my variant of Garand to have, can anyone say room clearing?
 

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I now realize with that long intro my question is unclear. The garand is already a 308 and even if it wasn't, ammo availability isn't the question. The question is, which one would last longer if you maintained it properly?

Before we even get into this, what this, the other side using??

Interesting question for a first time post....
China is using it's new QBZ95, followers of Obama have M4's and everyone else has Ak-47/74's.

Is this the season where there's no daylight up there?
The invasion will take place during the season of near-perpetual darkness.
 

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IMO whatever rifle you can put rounds on target with more often. 20 rounds in the dirt or over the heads of the bad guys isn't as effective as one round through the chest with the M1. Both fire 30 cal projectiles, both actions are almost identical, one is old, the other is older than hell...

I own both and would grab both.

but if I could only have one it would be my M1A.

But for the cost of one M1A you could have 3 cache's with an M1 and ammo hidden in three different spots. and you can roll that discussion around till you need a viagra...

Strictly for the 20rd mag option I would grab the M1A.
Fianal answer..

as for lasting longer I would go with theory on this one. Theoretically the M1 has been around longer, so assuming you have a set of new springs and everything it should be good to last as long as it already has....where the M1A has proven itself for a shorter time.......but again thats a matter of opinion and theory.....
 

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Nobody 'wants to' actually answer your Core question...

GI6

Maybe it just can't be answered, as such...Maybe It's A Draw?

"Regarding durability, which rifle would continue functioning longer with regular maintenance but no spare parts?"

Ok, Absent ANY OTHER Dynamics...I'm Going To Have To Say...The GARAND! Just By A Nose! Just Because It's Just Slightly Less 'Complicated' Than It's Descendant, the M14!

BUT...I Would Love To Hear From Some Of Our Old-Time Armorers Here On The Forum...Who Have Actually Worked On Both Rifles! What Will THEY SAY?

p.s. I Still Believe That This Scenario with a .308 Garand is a 'flawed' hypothetical...BUT, Answer Me This?
You've Got A BET Riding On This, RIGHT ???

GI6

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Ammo is a consideration for me. I don't know if .308 is loaded with AP bullets or not, but I don't remember ever seeing any. I have some AP ammo for my M1, and believe it could be a game changer, in a serious situation. IMO, the first few shots from a magazine (8-20 rd.), are as important as the last (5-15)shots combined.


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Ammo is a consideration for me. I don't know if .308 is loaded with AP bullets or not, but I don't remember ever seeing any. I have some AP ammo for my M1, and believe it could be a game changer, in a serious situation. d.
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Nobody 'wants to' actually answer your Core question...

GI6

Maybe it just can't be answered, as such...Maybe It's A Draw?

"Regarding durability, which rifle would continue functioning longer with regular maintenance but no spare parts?"

Ok, Absent ANY OTHER Dynamics...I'm Going To Have To Say...The GARAND! Just By A Nose! Just Because It's Just Slightly Less 'Complicated' Than It's Descendant, the M14!

BUT...I Would Love To Hear From Some Of Our Old-Time Armorers Here On The Forum...Who Have Actually Worked On Both Rifles! What Will THEY SAY?

p.s. I Still Believe That This Scenario with a .308 Garand is a 'flawed' hypothetical...BUT, Answer Me This?
You've Got A BET Riding On This, RIGHT ???

GI6

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actually aside from the bolt roller on the m14 the m1 garand is more complicated than the m14
it has the same trigger and almost the same bolt (aside from no roller and and slightely longer)
the oprod and gas system are totally different and the m1 garand is more complicated in this area as well
and the cartridge feed and timeing is much more complicated in the garand

and to the OP i would have to say the m14 only for the reasons i just stated above
allthough i do love the M1 Garand and they have stood the tests of time
 
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