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New thread to discuss pros & cons of having a retreat or being constantly on the move as a hunter/gatherer.

To me, this is a no brainer. Have a retreat & plenty of supplies plus be able to have garden, livestock, fruit/nut trees, etc.

On the other hand, some think being a hunter/gatherer is the way to go. Pretty much being nothing more then a caveman. Constantly on the move you can never have much more then what you can carry.

Please be respectful of others opinions & ofcourse anyone trolling will be dealt with by ADMIN.

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New thread to discuss pros & cons of having a retreat or being constantly on the move as a hunter/gatherer.

To me, this is a no brainer. Have a retreat & plenty of supplies plus be able to have garden, livestock, fruit/nut trees, etc.

On the other hand, some think being a hunter/gatherer is the way to go. Pretty much being nothing more then a caveman. Constantly on the move you can never have much more then what you can carry.

Please be respectful of others opinions & ofcourse anyone trolling will be dealt with by ADMIN.

HH
I agree with you, I think depending upon hunting and gathering is too risky. Depending upon the type of disaster, game and edible plants might be in short supply. While I think hunting, trapping, and foraging skills are of high priority for a survivalist, I don't think it is wise to solely depend upon them to keep you and your family alive. Mother nature is just too fickle and unpredictable to trust your life to, not to mention the fact that a person might not be in good health after the initial catastrophe.

To me it is just a no brainier that a person interested in survival has to stockpile at least food, water, and weapons on some level to have a better chance if something does happen.
 

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Ok, I read the premise carefully and understand it...

And I certainly agree that the IDEAL is to have a 'Fortress', with a 'backdoor', a back-up retreat, a plan and ability to protect and feed and nuture you, your family and friends, your supplies...Indefinitely!

However, think for just a minute how about many ways a person may find himself in the role of a 'Hunter/Gatherer'...rather than as the defender of a redoubt!?
*whatever the disaster/event is---your planned retreat site is now destroyed, or 'hot', or the routes thereto impassable, or it has become 'occupied', or looted, etc, etc...
*you have to 'fight' you way past/through a lot of distance/population to get there!
*you are still in the 'planning' stages...not ready to hole-up...
*you are 'ok' but you need to 'rescue' loved ones who are not close to or are not able to rendezvous at the retreat site without your help...

I could go on, but no doubt you see my point...

So...EVEN IF you Have the Retreat, or are At the Retreat...You May Have to Leave It to go in search of or to escort somebody to the Retreat or to go Rescue a loved one...
And, therefore a 'Secondary' concept has to be...What If I Must Be Able to Take Off Across Country?
Do I Have the Ability to do that? The Gear, the Clothing, the Appropriate Firearms to do That? To 'live off the land' while you do?
BIG Question---In an 'apocalyptic' scenario...There are going to be a whole lot of 'Hunter/Gatherers' out there! Some Decent Folks just trying to stay alive...but some who will be Thugs, Looters, and Worse!

You MAY find Yourself in the role of a 'hunter/gatherer' whether you plan or intend that or not!?

Just More Food For Thought...

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There is no reason those with a retreat can't also be hunter/gatherers to suppliment their livestock & garden. But I'd definately wait awhile before doing that till things settle down alittle. Combine patrolling area with snares & traps. And always with a two person team.

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I have spent considerable time thinking about this too.

Having a retreat or living in a small like minded community seems to be the only way for most to really have a chance of surviving. I think short term you can make it as the hunter gatherer type, but if anything goes wrong with you or your gear it could put you in a bad situation fast.

There are many examples in history to look at too. The most notable being the Lewis and Clark expedition. Look what it really took for them to make it. Or look at nomadic tribes and how they operated.

Good subject and should make for good discussion.

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Hunter/gatherer as a single or small group, just one person gets sick, sprains an ankle, etc & no moving for awhile.

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Thanks

Thanks for the thread , sir !

I say both 1st the retreat but with strong 2nd of hunting/gathering to suplement stockpile. if possibile best case is to start day one with hunting/gathering to prolong or delay use of stockpiles. but it may needs be to go underground fast and stay for a period of time with no outside footprint or trace this would be worstcase because must use some stockpiles and some outside supplies that could have been used or gathered for storehouse would be lost or wasted.still looking to add to long range/long term commo/intel . water food shelter security are main 4 in any order but intel/communications will be key to long term plans need to know what,when,where,how, and who,, will be needed to plan stage 2 of plan.

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I think quite a few of us would base our decision on our physical condition. In my case my knees may last a couple of miles. I intend to stay put. I've got food, water and shelter. Help is nearby. I have plenty of ammo to keep things this way unless I have to face a small army. Even then they may decide there's easier pickings some where else.
 

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I'm in the same situation with a bad hip. Though I have tons of knowledge for those that will work the hunting/gathering as well as the supplies.

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It all depends on how long the apocolyptic scenario lasts. You may have to resort to hunter/gatherer if things are in the tank long enough, as you supplies will be limited no matter how much you start with. Unless you are currently self sustaining in your fortress right now, you will eventually have to leave the homestead for whatever you need. Obviously its better to live in the fortress as less energy is expended opening a can of tuna, than hunting game. At some point if things dont return to normal, you may have to venture so far away from home that it is too energetically costly to go back. Would be tough times at that point.
 

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I don't live in the "wilds" or have it anywhere near me. I'm in good health and able to move but realistically am past that point in my life to run and gun or go cross country living off the land. My small town is what I know well, as well as the surrounding countryside. Far more practical in my case to base myself where I am, leaving as necessary to work defense of my home from the outside where I can move around in the area I know best. That way most of what we have stays home and the main reason to bug out would be contamination of some sort, assuming we had enough warning to get out.

To that end a double rifle case stays loaded with the rifle, mag bag and the pistol belt with gun and extra ammo in case I need to get into another part of the neighborhood in a hurry, not having time to "gear up" in the house. Just the most realistic scenario for my particular circumstance, sure hope all that planning does indeed go to waste!
 

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Since I live in an area where being a hunter gatherer is next to impossible during the winter, I would have to go with a retreat. The down side of a retreat is that it is a fixed location that needs to be defended, and once you are discovered, more and more people are going to come after what you have.
 

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But even if you are a hunter/gatherer with a field camp you can still be discovered & have to protect.

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True, but my point is that there are pros and cons to both. For me being a hunter gatherer is not an option. Winter would kill me off, -20F is no fun over night, been there done that, did not even get a T-Shirt.

A retreat is my option, and my home is my retreat. Well stocked, good supply of both food and water, and ammo.
 

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I'm with David, even if my knees would still work well. I know the land around me, good spring water and plenty of land for a garden. I'm fortunate being on a small farm I've got beef, chickens and eggs already. I can be here for a long time.

The problem is defense. I've got some good neighbors that I'm sure would band together. I got some bad neighbors I'm sure would have to be dealt with although I think they already know to leave me alone. The city people coming out to scavenge I'm still wondering about. Some would just want to find food, some will be coming to take whatever they can. The only thing that will stop them is a show of force.
 

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I think for short term, up to but less than a year, a retreat would work with a small group of people. However, for more than a couple of years or so I believe that hunting and gathering would have to enter the equation. But there is a problem that I believe that would arise for lengthy times in a retreat with the hunting and gathering aspect that I think would more than likely arise.

Staying in the same area over time with hunting and gathering in the picture would probably diminish that area out of hunting/gathering food stuff over time. I think you would have to move every so often to different areas to continue good yields of hunting and gathering to suplement what you may be able to produce at a retreat.

Now, living like a cave man sucks and the only solution I can think of for this scenero would be to have 2 or maybe 3 retreat areas 30 to 50 or so miles apart. Unfortunately, I believe this would take a fairly vast wilderness area to be able to pull this off and any group of people attempting this would probably have to be in somewhat better than average physical shape.

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I think I'll stay put.
There will be lots of people looking for food, shelter and any thing else they can aquire. They didn't plan for any event. Good or bad. And most likeIy never will. I do live in a large wilderness area in north west Pa. Right now, for example, hundreds of hunters in this area for the first week of deer season. If things went bad, and they took to the woods with their scoped high power rifles, it wouldn't be wise to try to hunt or gather. If someone is starving and your draging a deer, things might get ugly real fast. I do have a good supply of things that will be hard if not imposable to get. I still add to this weekly. I also know if bad times go long enought I'll run out like everyone else. I pray it will never happen, but have to be prepaired. Those on the move will certainIy become targets at one time or another. I believe that in any given area, there is only a hand full of people truly prepaired to survive. It may be wise to seek them out. I'm lucky that in this valley there is a lot of like minded people. All we can do for now is to prepair for the worst and hope for the best. Sharing ideas is good.
 

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I think for short term, up to but less than a year, a retreat would work with a small group of people. However, for more than a couple of years or so I believe that hunting and gathering would have to enter the equation. But there is a problem that I believe that would arise for lengthy times in a retreat with the hunting and gathering aspect that I think would more than likely arise.

Staying in the same area over time with hunting and gathering in the picture would probably diminish that area out of hunting/gathering food stuff over time. I think you would have to move every so often to different areas to continue good yields of hunting and gathering to suplement what you may be able to produce at a retreat.

Now, living like a cave man sucks and the only solution I can think of for this scenero would be to have 2 or maybe 3 retreat areas 30 to 50 or so miles apart. Unfortunately, I believe this would take a fairly vast wilderness area to be able to pull this off and any group of people attempting this would probably have to be in somewhat better than average physical shape.

Just my thoughts or .02 cents worth.


Was wondering when somebody was going to mention the above. As more people take to the woods, all game will become more sparse due to demand. Even the Indians found that they had to move along with the animal migrations to keep a steady food supply. Keeping with the OP, trying to live "nomadic" is the last option. dozier
 

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In America, it was only the Plains Indians that moved with the buffalo herds. Others did quite well living in their village & sending hunting parties out to suppliment with game. The current population in America is the problem.

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EVERY location has to be defended. You are much safer in a fortified, fixed retreat in a remote location than in a temporary campsite. You can have supplies. You simply can't carry enough. Even Les Shroud, with time between survival situations, needed to take a break for his health. All TEOTWAWKI situations will be desperate unless you are VERY LUCKY. Probably the best situation is remote location with one way in that is a subdivision of well prepared, like minded neighbors, each with 10 years of food and a large battery of weapons and other supplies. Not many will have that. Everything like is about improving your odds. There are just too many people in the world today and they will all be out there trying to be hunter/gatherers for the first year or two. The game will be gone in the first 3 months. Most of the people in the first year.
 
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