Yes I was talking about m14 I have have tried 150 and 168 and my 18.5 scout 1 in 11 twist barrel likes the 150 over the 168 it shoots much tighter groups. The 150 were non match. The 168 are on papper but all over the place in about a 8" circle. The 150 non match were about 2.5"-3" @ 100 yards