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You are talking post VN war?Prior to CNC machining, suppressor technology was pretty primitive. Large and heavy. Over a foot long and more than a pound. Not the best idea for balance or barrel harmonics. The best stuff used water or wipes. The wipes were very effective, but didn't last long and naturally degraded accuracy.
They aren't really needed for long range shooting. The sound the enemy hears is the sonic crack of the bullet, which is perpendicular to where the shot came from.
You had to sign them in and out? Every single time you went to work?
What about the rifles? Same thing? Sign in and out?
Very interesting. People do enjoy their sick little power trips to demonstrate their control.As with everything military, if it met a certain threshold (more than X amount of dollars/ highly pilferable/ subject to the discretion of the Property Book Officer) you had to sign it out, making you liable if you lose it and reimburse the gubmit in cash for the loss. AAAAAND, anything checked out from the Armory, they usually won't let you turn it back in unless it it thoroughly cleaned and oiled...which is a HUGE pain in the behind as armorers are a bunch of DEE-words and love to make your life miserable because, "It's funny". And no...in a warzone, you usually check your weapons out once and MAAAYBE turn them back in before deployment if the military wants to keep them in the warzone. Otherwise, you fly with them on your way back home.
You remove the cap, take out the baffles and other guts. Clean it just like you would any other part of the weapon. If you had access to hot water, all the better. Our MP5SD's came apart easily. The ported barrel required a little extra attention to detail.What all was involved in cleaning the old suppressors? What was the big deal?
I refer you to: "Feasibility Test of a Silenced Shotgun, 11 January 1963 to 7 April 1964" Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD:Hollywood is notorious for using silly small fake sound suppressors on pistols. As if something the size of one or two C sized batteries can suppress a pistol to a bare whisper. But movies are not reality.
Hollywood sometimes uses them in creative ways. The most famous one I recall being that shotgun used in “No Country for Old Men.”
Baffle designs are constantly being improved, as well as having the bore diameter closer to the caliber. Today's tubes fit the weapon much better, keeping everything in line.One of my buddies has a suppressed M-16, he brought it up here and it was pretty quiet.
But, his is, of course, a newer one. The oldies made more noise?
We Were Stupid Once, when we were young.Baffle designs are constantly being improved, as well as having the bore diameter closer to the caliber. Today's tubes fit the weapon much better, keeping everything in line.
Many of the smaller ones in use today are more intended to protect the operator, as opposed to concealing the sound from the enemy. Firing a rifle in close quarters, without hearing protection or a sound moderator, is very low on the fun scale. The damage to your hearing is often permanent.
Au contraire, there were the three or four the Army made for the 1963 test referenced above. And, who's to say some inventive soul didn't make one under the table, Chigurh wasn't exactly worried about legalities was he?. . . .there weren't any when the movie was made, let alone when the movie was set. . . .
Seems open to me. Theoretically, that tube could house a suppressor, in fact that would be the way to do it by drilling the barrel and placing a baffle chamber over it. That was the way the Army one worked, only they started the venting just forward of the chamber and continued the entire length of the barrel.It doesn't work, naturally; the "silencer" obscures the gun's barrel, so this prop could not ever actually be fired."
One time in Germany, I had to run an M60 qualification for the Bundeswehr. I didn't have earplugs with me, so I used some 9mm cases that I picked off the range. We were in one of those concrete tunnels that they hide in parks. It made for a long day.We Were Stupid Once, when we were young.
Used empty shell casings. You are correct about damage. Ask how I know.
Our hearing relies on the first arrival to determine direction. If the round is supersonic, the first sound we hear is a sonic 'boom' wave emanating from the path of the bullet after the bullet has travelled it, not the rifle, and if you can discern a direction, it will be the direction of the portion of that wave was traveling. The secondary wave, traveling behind the bullet from the rifle concussion, at any kind of distance, will be primarily and overwhelmingly reflected sound, which will be very vague in itself, because it is smeared in both time and direction.My most trusted friend & I held a test once. I stood downrange & had him fire my suppressed 308 boltgun past me. Numerous safety precautions had been taken for all the safety types out there. Heres what happened.
In a wooded area the sonic crack of the bullet passing me was extremely confusing. It sounded like the noise was coming from all directions since the terrain reflects the noise. He fired three times & all three I could easily hear but there was no way I could determine where it came from.
In a completely open field I could faintly hear the firing & again easily heard the sonic crack pass me but it'd still be dang hard to determine where the shot came from.