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Hey guys I'm looking to get the best red dot possible for my specific needs. So, here's what I'm working with:

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I've got a 3 point sling and Magpul Angled Forward Grip behind the bipod that are not pictured. So I have the ARMS mount and the forward rail that can both suit my red dot needs, and the adjustable cheek piece to dial in for whatever scope.

I have NM sights but need the ease of aiming with a red dot for targets from 0-300 yards, anything farther I will have a high magnification scope for precision.

I don't have much experience with traditional red dots. I have an ACOG for my AR15, the 4x32 Army RCO below, I find the Bullet Drop Compensator extremely helpful and find BDCs ideal and a must-have for any scope.

http://trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=637&back_row=4&categoryID=3

That specific ACOG was totally overkill for my 16" Colt though, besides only having a 300 yard range, the groups at 300 weren't impressive even with 75gr Hornady TAP or 62gr M855 using the ACOG's red chevron. In fact, I originally decked out my AR15 that's pictured below to be my MBR but then realized not only do I want something with a greater punch but I need something more accurate at longer ranges (400-600yds).

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I thought about just buying a longer barreled uppper receiver for my AR15 to allow more velocity and accuracy, and be able to swap for the situation, but to be honest it still feels like a .22. Don't get me wrong, the AR15/M16 and 5.56mm does it's job as a light, fast, accurate, fragmenting and wounding tool. My friend just gave over $5,000 to have a custom "sniper" AR15 built that has a long barrel and incredible optics, able to reach out and touch at 800 yards using 77gr he says.

I know that just because I have a great gun I still have to know how to shoot it. I plan on doing a lot of practice with this rifle and send thousands and thousands of rounds through it. So I'm trying to maximize it's potential so that I am the only one of the few other environmental variables in the equation for an accurate shot.

With all of that being said, I did purchase two different types of red dot scopes to mess around with. The first one is a TruGlo 30mm red dot which I guess I could consider a traditional red dot, pictured below.

http://images2.opticsplanet.com/640-640/opplanet-truglo-red-dot-30mm.jpg

The second one I purchased is a SightMark Laser Dual Shot Reflex that is a bit more advanced having multiple reticules and an attached laser pointer, pictured below.

http://www.opticsbestbuy.com/SIGHTMARK-Laser-Dual-Shot-Reflex-Sight-SM13002.html

Neither of these scopes are to be relied upon using my M1A, maybe an AR15, they are too cheap. However I did get a feel for what I want in a red dot, I mounted both scopes on my forward rail and on my ARMS mount. I'm not going to use the forward mount as I get better view and target acquisition up on top of the receiver. I also favor the reflex/holographic style for even easier viewing and acquisition as the 30mm tube is limiting.

After going through a lot of the top brands and models for red dot scopes, I believe to have found the top 3 from which I will be choosing from, although I am open to any and all suggestions, even going back to a USGI rear sight instead of a red dot at all if it came down to it.

The first one I will mention is the ACOG 3.5x35 Scope with Horseshoe .308 M240 BDC Reticle w/ TA51 Mount, linked below.

http://trijicon.com/user/parts/products1.cfm?PartID=768&back_row=3&categoryID=3

This appeals to me mainly because the lack of the need for a battery, and the reticule is incredibly attractive. Already having experience with ACOG though, I find it might put me in the situation of being limited like looking through a 30mm tube, and having permanent magnification not very ideal for that 0-25-50 yard ranges cause of having to adjust for eye relief.

The second one I've looked at is the EOTech 552XR308 with a 3x magnifier.

http://www.eotech-inc.com/product.php?id=5&cat=1

http://www.eotech-inc.com/product.php?id=14&cat=3

This one seems to be the one that reflects everything I need for this type of optic. I favor the holographic/reflex style sight as it allows for a much more open view and ease of target acquisition, for me at least. The biggest plus for this is the bullet drop compensator. Using my M1A, theoretically I can zero at 300 yards or meters and then using the hold over I can make shots out to 1200 using this optic? That would be incredible as the sight already allows for easy point blank targeting but to be able to have somewhat of an ability to reach out to those longer ranges would be amazing to me. I don't expect to be able to even see let alone hit targets at 1200 yards or meters using a red dot, but do you guys actually think that this EOTech bullet drop compensator will allow me to engage targets passed 300 yards accurately? I will have the 3x magnifier to use if I were. Also I might as well ask, what is the realistic maximum range for my 18.5" barrel?

The last scope I have looked at that does seem worth it, is the Aimpoint CompM4S. After doing a lot of reading I've found that there are some people out there who totally defend the Aimpoint against all these new generations of red dots coming out. The simplicity is what attracts me, and it also can suit a 3x magnifier. The only downside is that there is no bullet drop compensator so, the only reason I would even go with this one I guess is if the quality and ease of use is so overwhelmingly more reliable than that of EOTech and ACOG, and if the EOTech bullet drop compensator does not serve it's purpose in terms of my M1A.

http://www.aimpoint.com/us/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/compm4s/

http://www.aimpoint.com/us/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/3xmag/

So in conclusion, it'd be nice to hear from anyone who owns any of these specific models or at least the brands and have some experience to bring to the table. Otherwise please give me your suggestions, I guess I'm set on the EOTech 552XR308 because of the holographic/reflex style and the .308 bullet drop compensator coupled with magnification to not only settle my needs for that 0-300 yard or meter target range, but I can be confident engaging targets slightly passed 300 without having to switch to my high magnification optic.

I will be making another thread in the future because I need to go through the high magnification and long range scopes as my Leupold Mark 4 doesn't give me enough and I need a more advanced reticule.
 

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I like the Aimpoints. This is a CompM3 with the 2moa dot. I also have another one with the 3X magnifire on a AR15, and I have set up 3 M1 carbines for myself and friends using the Aimpoint Micro T1. The battery life is fantastic with all the Aimpoints.

 

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Looks good, what do range do you have it set at? Do you just use it for ranges under 100 yards or so? I guess the BDC on that EOTech isn't that worth it considering it's not specifically calibrated for my bullet. Also when I get a magnifying scope that could have 1x, it's not that big of a deal to point at shoot at 1x for under 100 yards.

So maybe the Aimpoint fills the requirement as the back up sight for night time and short range use before the iron sights. Unless I look into the Trijicon Reflex and other EOTechs but whatever benefit those have it is at the loss of that very critical battery life.
 

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For the M14 I had it zeroed to hit in the black at 100 yds. Hitting a 10" round metal gong at 200 yds. became boring.
 
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