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I don't think there's anything wrong with leaving the decal on the stock and using it in competitions, even if on Marine bases. But slapping one on my rifle, especially since I shoot with former team members on their base just didn't seem right to me. If the stock has provenance, then it's ok I think.
 

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Wow I'm dumbfounded. This thread is about member usmcsgt0331's latest's acquisition and the work done by FM. How did this turn into a discussion about who likes or doesn't like stickers?
FM, ya dun a fantastic build for usmcsgt0331.Attention to detail is (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) (y) as always.
usmcsgt0331, congrats on a beauty! Can't wait for shooting results. Enjoy it!!
I'm green with envy!!!
 

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The OP has earned the right to display the EGA in any form he wishes. Those that did not are simply posers and in no way show a tribute to those that worked and earned it. Sorry , but that is a fact. The Eagle Globe and Anchor is a sacred emblem for Marines only, for which many have served and died to hold close to their heart. If you are not a Marine, take our emblem off your fake rifle and be happy someone doesn't feed the butt of the rifle to you in your ignorance. Semper Fi
 

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If you are not a Marine, take our emblem off your fake rifle and be happy someone doesn't feed the butt of the rifle to you in your ignorance. Semper Fi
Sorry Art but that is uncalled for.

I personally have no desire to put such a decal on any rifle I own but I understand the desire some folks have to make tribute rifles as complete and accurate as possible.
 

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The OP has earned the right to display the EGA in any form he wishes. Those that did not are simply posers and in no way show a tribute to those that worked and earned it. Sorry , but that is a fact. The Eagle Globe and Anchor is a sacred emblem for Marines only, for which many have served and died to hold close to their heart. If you are not a Marine, take our emblem off your fake rifle and be happy someone doesn't feed the butt of the rifle to you in your ignorance. Semper Fi
@nf1e, we're both Marines who have earned our Eagle, Globe and Anchor, and have honorably served our country, so I completely understand everything you wrote in your post and your sentiment behind it. However, I hold a different opinion about these USMC stickers on people's clone builds and I'd like to explain the rational behind my viewpoint.

I care deeply about USMC history, as many of you have seen from my tedious and detailed study of the M40 series of sniper rifles, and my volunteer work with the Scout Sniper Association. I absolutely hate seeing any USMC history destroyed and the Marine Corps itself has already destroyed tons of history that my friends and I have been part of, such as cutting up the McMillan A4 stocks. I don't support any history being destroyed, so I implore everyone, Marine or otherwise, to keep any original USMC stickers on their original USMC shooting team stocks! Those stickers are a small part of USMC history and they were put on those stocks in celebration of the Corps and to show other competitors who these shooters are.

Having an original USMC sticker on an original USMC stock is something to be treasured and to be taken care of for future generations, not destroyed. The USMC stickers are so prevalent of the USMC shooting team stocks that it's now pretty much a requirement to add one to a USMC clone clone build, even one using a regular civilian purchased stock. It doesn't mean that person is a poser, it means that person enjoys USMC history and is respecting it by making their clone rifle as close to the issued team guns as they can get. If the stickers are on the vast majority of the stocks used by the shooting team, then it should be added to the build list.

A poser is someone who pretends to be something or someone that they are not. Having an original USMC sticker on an original USMC shooting team stock is preserving USMC history. Putting a replica USMC sticker on a clone USMC shooting team rifle is respecting USMC history. The people who own rifles built using original or replica stickers aren't posing as Marines or calling themselves Marines, they just want to keep USMC history and the tradition of shooting team stickers alive.

Here's an example of a poser. A guy I knew from school went out and purchased a USMC t-shirt (basic gray shirt with a large USMC on the front in black letters) about the same time that I was enlisted in the Corps. He said that he was just showing his support for the military and I told him that he shouldn't wear the shirt at all because he'll look like a poser. He didn't listen to me, and instead he cut the sleeves off the t-shirt and would wear it to the gym trying to look cool. He even decided that he would looker cooler if he had a high and tight haircut. That's a poser. That's a completely worthless person who needs to be something they are not because they've never achieved anything in their lives. There's a universe of difference between this scum bag and someone with a USMC sticker on the side of their USMC shooting team clone.

There's also a slippery slope with a sticker restriction, where does it end? Should civilians now be allowed to own any type of USMC clone rifle? Or even "USMC PROPERTY" marked rifles like the H&R Reising Model 60 or CMP surplus Remington 40X? After all, some rifles like these were only used by Marines, and some guns are purely iconic USMC, such as the M40. I personally know tons of people who have never served in the Marines, but they love the M40 series, and rabidly collect those rifles and parts. To me, these people are enjoying something that's part of USMC history, but it's also larger than the that, these people are enjoying their own COUNTRY'S history! Without civilian taxpayers, there would be no Marine Corps. Even if there were somehow still a Marine Corps, without our fellow countrymen we would have no one to protect and no reason to exist.

Marines and civilians aren't mutually exclusive and we need each other to survive. Even though civilians don't have the right to call themselves Marines and use our emblems like the Eagle, Globe and Anchor, they still have the right to celebrate our country's history, which includes our military history. A civilian isn't calling themselves a Marine or using our emblem in a personal manner by putting a USMC sticker on their stock, they are showing their appreciation for the Corps and our country.

If anyone here has an original USMC shooting team stock with an original USMC shooting team sticker on it, you should cherish that piece of history and guard it from anyone who wishes to destroy it. Don't ever remove those original stickers, that's USMC history and it belongs on that stock, regardless of who currently owns it. If you aren't a Marine, but want to put a reproduction USMC sticker on your USMC shooting team clone rifle, go for it and thank you for keeping interest in our Corp's history! Enjoy your rifle with USMC sticker respectfully, don't be a poser, don't call yourself a Marine, and we won't have any issues. It's that simple.

As far as I'm concerned, that's the end of the USMC (or any other military branch or unit) sticker debate, forever.
 

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The OP's rifle looks great by the way. The decal issue reminded me that while restoring a Unertl 100 MM Team Telescope, that I purchased from the CMP, I found traces of AMU decals on it. The scope once belonged to the AMU at Ft. Benning. It had about 7 layers of paint on it and the original decals were covered up. I was able to obtain a set of new decals (with a little help from a fellow who lived across the street from Ft. Benning) to complete the restoration. It's little things like that that help preserve the history of our passions.
 

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My M14 collection seems to be slowly growing, but it takes a while to build absolutely perfect clones! I've been working on a USMC shooting team M14 with a smear stock and Barnett barrel for about 4 or 5 years, that's about when I acquired my first parts for the build. The rifle was put on the back burner until recently, when I made a trade with @forceman and got an original USMC smear stock from him. He then found me a 5 line Springfield receiver and I gave him the green light to start the build!

I've always wanted one of these rifles, and I've always read the threads posted here when you guys but these USMC target guns. Well, I can finally join the club! This rifle was built by Terry (@forceman) with a 5 line Springfield receiver, original USMC M14 smear stock, original USMC M14 Barnett barrel from 1991, and various GI parts. Terry built this amazing rifle to exact USMC specs and even used a 2112 armorer made tool for unitizing the gas system or something like that. The rifle is also double lugged, like most of the USMC rifles were. The rifle turned out great and I can't thank him enough for his help with the build!

Now the most important part, the photos! Also, if any of you have a similar USMC shooting team M14 (smear or woodland stock), please post some photos here in this thread for us to enjoy!

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Your USMC rifle is a master piece of hard work and dedication…she is a beauty.

I would like to point out that your stock was patterned from an S.E. Overton stock or better known as a TRW slab side stock. If your interested take a look at the picture I posted of the USMC TEAM RIFLES. You will notice the flats on the stocks with the same smear pattern as yours here in this thread. The other three rifles do not exhibit this feature.

Just thought it might be of interest.

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Your USMC rifle is a master piece of hard work and dedication…she is a beauty.

I would like to point out that your stock was patterned from an S.E. Overton stock or better known as a TRW slab side stock. If your interested take a look at the picture I posted of the USMC TEAM RIFLES. You will notice the flats on the stocks with the same smear pattern as yours here in this thread. The other three rifles do not exhibit this feature.

Just thought it might be of interest.

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Ren, while your observation "may" be correct, (I personally actually agree as it does look "slab sided", a typical characteristic of TRW stocks) do you have definite proof or info from Kelly, Lynne, or Josh at McMillan that they did in fact pattern the early Mc stock off of a S.E. Overton, or TRW stock? If not, please retract or edit your statement before it becomes "internet bible" info.
 

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@nf1e, we're both Marines who have earned our Eagle, Globe and Anchor, and have honorably served our country, so I completely understand everything you wrote in your post and your sentiment behind it. However, I hold a different opinion about these USMC stickers on people's clone builds and I'd like to explain the rational behind my viewpoint.

I care deeply about USMC history, as many of you have seen from my tedious and detailed study of the M40 series of sniper rifles, and my volunteer work with the Scout Sniper Association. I absolutely hate seeing any USMC history destroyed and the Marine Corps itself has already destroyed tons of history that my friends and I have been part of, such as cutting up the McMillan A4 stocks. I don't support any history being destroyed, so I implore everyone, Marine or otherwise, to keep any original USMC stickers on their original USMC shooting team stocks! Those stickers are a small part of USMC history and they were put on those stocks in celebration of the Corps and to show other competitors who these shooters are.

Having an original USMC sticker on an original USMC stock is something to be treasured and to be taken care of for future generations, not destroyed. The USMC stickers are so prevalent of the USMC shooting team stocks that it's now pretty much a requirement to add one to a USMC clone clone build, even one using a regular civilian purchased stock. It doesn't mean that person is a poser, it means that person enjoys USMC history and is respecting it by making their clone rifle as close to the issued team guns as they can get. If the stickers are on the vast majority of the stocks used by the shooting team, then it should be added to the build list.

A poser is someone who pretends to be something or someone that they are not. Having an original USMC sticker on an original USMC shooting team stock is preserving USMC history. Putting a replica USMC sticker on a clone USMC shooting team rifle is respecting USMC history. The people who own rifles built using original or replica stickers aren't posing as Marines or calling themselves Marines, they just want to keep USMC history and the tradition of shooting team stickers alive.

Here's an example of a poser. A guy I knew from school went out and purchased a USMC t-shirt (basic gray shirt with a large USMC on the front in black letters) about the same time that I was enlisted in the Corps. He said that he was just showing his support for the military and I told him that he shouldn't wear the shirt at all because he'll look like a poser. He didn't listen to me, and instead he cut the sleeves off the t-shirt and would wear it to the gym trying to look cool. He even decided that he would looker cooler if he had a high and tight haircut. That's a poser. That's a completely worthless person who needs to be something they are not because they've never achieved anything in their lives. There's a universe of difference between this scum bag and someone with a USMC sticker on the side of their USMC shooting team clone.

There's also a slippery slope with a sticker restriction, where does it end? Should civilians now be allowed to own any type of USMC clone rifle? Or even "USMC PROPERTY" marked rifles like the H&R Reising Model 60 or CMP surplus Remington 40X? After all, some rifles like these were only used by Marines, and some guns are purely iconic USMC, such as the M40. I personally know tons of people who have never served in the Marines, but they love the M40 series, and rabidly collect those rifles and parts. To me, these people are enjoying something that's part of USMC history, but it's also larger than the that, these people are enjoying their own COUNTRY'S history! Without civilian taxpayers, there would be no Marine Corps. Even if there were somehow still a Marine Corps, without our fellow countrymen we would have no one to protect and no reason to exist.

Marines and civilians aren't mutually exclusive and we need each other to survive. Even though civilians don't have the right to call themselves Marines and use our emblems like the Eagle, Globe and Anchor, they still have the right to celebrate our country's history, which includes our military history. A civilian isn't calling themselves a Marine or using our emblem in a personal manner by putting a USMC sticker on their stock, they are showing their appreciation for the Corps and our country.

If anyone here has an original USMC shooting team stock with an original USMC shooting team sticker on it, you should cherish that piece of history and guard it from anyone who wishes to destroy it. Don't ever remove those original stickers, that's USMC history and it belongs on that stock, regardless of who currently owns it. If you aren't a Marine, but want to put a reproduction USMC sticker on your USMC shooting team clone rifle, go for it and thank you for keeping interest in our Corp's history! Enjoy your rifle with USMC sticker respectfully, don't be a poser, don't call yourself a Marine, and we won't have any issues. It's that simple.

As far as I'm concerned, that's the end of the USMC (or any other military branch or unit) sticker debate, forever.
As long as they're not a poser ,which any jarhead will recognize in about 5 seconds, I see at as free advertising for our Corps. Those that never earned it will never know, we are an elite brother & sisterhood forever, Semper Fi...!!!
 

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The Marine who took this picture (below) is the same Marine who sent me the USMC Shooting Team decal. His permission to use it on my USMC team rifle clone was good enough for me.

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Some beautiful rifles
 

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As long as they're not a poser ,which any jarhead will recognize in about 5 seconds, I see at as free advertising for our Corps. Those that never earned it will never know, we are an elite brother & sisterhood forever, Semper Fi...!!!
Met a guy recently at a bed and breakfast whose car was decked out with Navy Seals bumper stickers. He was wearing a U.S. Navy t- shirt. The topic of travel came up and he said something about , “when I was in the service…”. I asked him about his service. He worked construction on ship yards in the states for 2 years while in the navy. I couldn’t help feel like the navy seals paraphernalia was a little overselling it. Nice guy, though. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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