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Well, this is a pretty wild follow up to the weapons ban that occurred last week here in Canada.

As part of the ban any firearm with a bore diameter of 20mm or larger is also now prohibited.

It has been pointed out that if you remove the choke and measure the bore diameter many shotguns will now be over that limit.

This may result in an inadvertent ban of potentially millions of shotguns.

I'll post the links to the sources below, they do a much better job explaining the reasoning behind it.

At the very least it makes the waters incredibly muddy for determining what exactly is now banned.

https://www.csaaa.org/blair-bans-12-gauge-10-gauge-shotguns-and-hunting-rifles/

https://www.csaaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/SOR2020-96-CSAAA-Legal-Opinion-re-12-gauge-shotguns.pdf
 

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Hello, Damn..... Talk about gutting a pig...
Sounds like, You boys up there better hide your Red Riders before this is over.
 

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Any 20mm bore or greater firearm is prohibited from 1 may 2020 .

That means

12 and 20 gauge shotguns .

JT is destroying Canadian culture big time.

Gun is s part of North America culture , same as Japan and sword or Katana.same as Germany and beer , Canada and hunting,
I can't believe what happened over night .
 

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Just demonstrates how little consulting with experts and research they did before dropping this ban on us. He can run his mouth about everything being in place before the outbreak but now we see that was another in a long string of lies.
 

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Any 20mm bore or greater firearm is prohibited from 1 may 2020 .

That means

12 and 20 gauge shotguns .

JT is destroying Canadian culture big time.

Gun is s part of North America culture , same as Japan and sword or Katana.same as Germany and beer , Canada and hunting,
I can't believe what happened over night .
12 gauge is 18.5mm and 20 gauge is 15.6mm, how does this ban them?

The 10,000 J energy limitation is obviously intended to restrict .50 BMG, and it will only catch such cartridges in the .460 Wby Mag and the .600 Nitro Express class
And BTW, swords in general are highly regulated in Japan, you can't own one unless it (the sword) has a license and in order to get one, the sword has to have some cultural significance....
 

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Regardin g swords.: In England swords are also regulated, maybe not as they are in Japan . . .restricted would be a better word.

In fact, in England about anything with a sharpedge or with a point is considered a forbidden weapon if carried in public.
 

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12 gauge is 18.5mm and 20 gauge is 15.6mm, how does this ban them?

The 10,000 J energy limitation is obviously intended to restrict .50 BMG, and it will only catch such cartridges in the .460 Wby Mag and the .600 Nitro Express class
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And here is a double rifle that must now be forbidden in Canada:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYlDgwo52tI"]"Double Deuce" 2-Bore Rifle: A Gunsmithing Spectacle - YouTube[/ame]

Ok, so most shotguns are OK. . .What about 10 gage?

A number of years ago I was able to buy an 8 ga market gun at a gun show. It was a Damascus barreled beast. It hung on the wall for a while, then found another home. That MUST have been over 20mm . . . .?
 

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12 gauge is 18.5mm and 20 gauge is 15.6mm, how does this ban them?

The 10,000 J energy limitation is obviously intended to restrict .50 BMG, and it will only catch such cartridges in the .460 Wby Mag and the .600 Nitro Express class
And BTW, swords in general are highly regulated in Japan, you can't own one unless it (the sword) has a license and in order to get one, the sword has to have some cultural significance....
An article link, with a slant towards removable chokes being an issue:
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/For-Immediate-Release---Trudeau-and-Blair-BAN-12-Gauge-and-10-Gauge-SHOTGUNS-.html?soid=1124731702303&aid=qVZNyF4JSg4&fbclid=IwAR1VZ4dn7jyZ5ZbRWVPWmAq2Mv55gsqUxW-WWCVFv5CpXIJHPBAqPrmkry0

I Had a discussion with a friend up there, and he says his dealer feels there's another issue.

The issue is, the forcing cone (technically part of the bore), starts right at the end of the chamber, so that's over the 20mm mark as well.

 

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An article link, with a slant towards removable chokes being an issue:
https://myemail.constantcontact.com/For-Immediate-Release---Trudeau-and-Blair-BAN-12-Gauge-and-10-Gauge-SHOTGUNS-.html?soid=1124731702303&aid=qVZNyF4JSg4&fbclid=IwAR1VZ4dn7jyZ5ZbRWVPWmAq2Mv55gsqUxW-WWCVFv5CpXIJHPBAqPrmkry0

I Had a discussion with a friend up there, and he says his dealer feels there's another issue.

The issue is, the forcing cone (technically part of the bore), starts right at the end of the chamber, so that's over the 20mm mark as well.

A good argument can be made that the entrance to the forcing cone is part of the chamber, not the bore, as the "bore" is well defined as the the hole in the barrel, not including the rifling or choke diameter, if any. At least that's how we in the States had it defined for us. Somewhere in Canadian statutes the term "bore" (for firearm) must be defined.

In any case this does not effect any shotguns 13 gauge and smaller, as 12 gauge is right at the limit at 20.27 mm according to SAAMI.
 

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Almost seems like they feel safe living next door to a country that hasn't gutted their gun laws.

The attitude that we'll protect them.
 
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