Better leave him alone he may have just had a bad experience like catching his wife in the hay with some knuckle head and here you come.
Mixing Uniform and Civies
Seeing as I just got "corrected" and by corrected I mean yelled at, and forced to educate a fellow NCO, on the regulation I thought I'd give a little helpful info here. Wear or uniform items with civilian clothes. By the reg, so long as you are not displaying name rank or service, you can wear your uniform items as civilian clothes. Here is a paraphrased explanation I was given by a very helpful Chief:
You are at the dorms, off-duty, and the WG/CC walks in. Are you out of uniform? Answer: No. Why? Because in the dorms, on your own time, you can't be out of uniform even if you are wearing civilian clothes because that's authorized.
So now we see that circumstances dictate the reality even though we all understand you don't have a uniform on.
Stay with me on this. Now you are at a directed formation in your underwear. Are you out of uniform? Answer: Yes. If you show up for formation in naught but your boots and underwear, you are a dumb-dumb and we won't be seeing you again for a while.
Now, you show up at the gas station, off-duty, in your boots and underwear. Are you out of uniform? Answer: No. Are you under arrest? Probably.
Now put on your ABU pants, boot socks, and a sand tee. Are you out of uniform? Answer: No. Are you under arrest? No. Are you tacky? Yes.
Now put on an ABU coat with no rank, service tape or name tape. Are you out of uniform? No. You're me going hunting.
Now swap coats for one with name, rank, service, and all the accouterments. Are you out of uniform? Yes, put your damn cover on dumb-dumb.
You are at the dorms, off-duty, and the WG/CC walks in. Are you out of uniform? Answer: No. Why? Because in the dorms, on your own time, you can't be out of uniform even if you are wearing civilian clothes because that's authorized.
So now we see that circumstances dictate the reality even though we all understand you don't have a uniform on.
Stay with me on this. Now you are at a directed formation in your underwear. Are you out of uniform? Answer: Yes. If you show up for formation in naught but your boots and underwear, you are a dumb-dumb and we won't be seeing you again for a while.
Now, you show up at the gas station, off-duty, in your boots and underwear. Are you out of uniform? Answer: No. Are you under arrest? Probably.
Now put on your ABU pants, boot socks, and a sand tee. Are you out of uniform? Answer: No. Are you under arrest? No. Are you tacky? Yes.
Now put on an ABU coat with no rank, service tape or name tape. Are you out of uniform? No. You're me going hunting.
Now swap coats for one with name, rank, service, and all the accouterments. Are you out of uniform? Yes, put your damn cover on dumb-dumb.
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When I was in the Army, (we were told) that we were authorized to wear our raincoat, overcoat and gloves with civilian clothes.
You are an Air Force NCO and you had to be "educated" about how to wear uniform articles when off-duty?
Maybe you should try reading your own regulations, I think you still don't understand them.
AFI36-2903 7 FEBRUARY 2020
1.4. When NOT to wear the Air Force Uniform.
1.4.9. While in civilian attire. Unless prescribed in this instruction, do not mix or wear a combination of civilian and military clothing or unique uniform items e.g. rank insignia, cap devices, badges, and other United States or Air Force insignia, devices, buttons, etc. Exception: Tie tacks and lapel pins are authorized when wearing business attire.
That means that you don't wear currently authorized military clothing (with or without insignia, devices, badges, etc.) mixed with with civilian clothing. The key word here is "or", that means that you don't do either thing, wear a mix of civilian and military clothing or wear insignia, devices, badges, etc. on your civilian clothing.
Maybe you should try reading your own regulations, I think you still don't understand them.
AFI36-2903 7 FEBRUARY 2020
1.4. When NOT to wear the Air Force Uniform.
1.4.9. While in civilian attire. Unless prescribed in this instruction, do not mix or wear a combination of civilian and military clothing or unique uniform items e.g. rank insignia, cap devices, badges, and other United States or Air Force insignia, devices, buttons, etc. Exception: Tie tacks and lapel pins are authorized when wearing business attire.
That means that you don't wear currently authorized military clothing (with or without insignia, devices, badges, etc.) mixed with with civilian clothing. The key word here is "or", that means that you don't do either thing, wear a mix of civilian and military clothing or wear insignia, devices, badges, etc. on your civilian clothing.
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What he said.......
MSgt (ret) USAF
What he said.......
MSgt (ret) USAF
Things have changed. There was a time when you weren't allowed to wear fatigues off post unless you were just stopping for gas. Now I see troops wearing them everywhere, including stores, airports, etc.
When the 75th Ranger Regiment was formed in 1985, they also dictated civilian attire while in public. No cut-off jeans, flip flops or gung-ho tee shirts. If you wanted to wear something with the word Ranger on it, it had to be the authorized insignia on a tasteful item of clothing.
When the 75th Ranger Regiment was formed in 1985, they also dictated civilian attire while in public. No cut-off jeans, flip flops or gung-ho tee shirts. If you wanted to wear something with the word Ranger on it, it had to be the authorized insignia on a tasteful item of clothing.
I posted the current Air Force uniform regulations, lots of people get away with doing something that is against regulations, it doesn't mean that you can't be charged under Article 92 of the UCMJ. There is a big difference between wearing an authorized liberty or work uniform and arbitrarily wearing uniform items in some random combination.
I was at Kadena AB in the 80's. One time were were digging a ditch in our yard -the shop- and we did not have our upper BDUs...by permission of the chief/E-9. He was out there working too. Some Lt. come up to us and said something we were all out of uniforms. The chief took him in his office, we heard some yelling. WE kept working. Some moments later, the Lt came out of the building. He complimented us on our digging and we never saw him again. Our chief was an ex-PJ from Vietnam and medals on full both sides of his chest. He was barely 5' 3" too.
The mechanics in the shops did not have the upper BDUs on when they were under a truck working. But if they walk across the yard, they had to put them on. Don't ask.
The mechanics in the shops did not have the upper BDUs on when they were under a truck working. But if they walk across the yard, they had to put them on. Don't ask.
I spent all but four years of my Air Force career in the Air National Guard. For every Air Force regulation, there is an Air Guard waiver...
I've spent the last 14 years in the ANG - much has changed and now we're more like the Reserves in terms of "waivers". Not a lot these days.I spent all but four years of my Air Force career in the Air National Guard. For every Air Force regulation, there is an Air Guard waiver...
Actually, When I first joined the Air National Guard Back in 1975 It was very much like a good ol' boys organization. We did most everything in our own way and didn't much care for AF regulations. Of course, there were some exceptions, but in general it was very loose. At that time we were trying to weed out the guys who went Air Guard to avoid Nam. Most were finishing up their enlistment by then. I was told by the officer in charge of the section I was applying for that he didn't like to hire prior service because "they just don't stay around long". I proved him wrong on that as did several other guys. When I separated to retire I had a little over 24 years in and transferred to the Retired Reserve. That added another ten years.
The thing I noticed most was that, at least in my unit, the personnel in the ANG steadily became more professional in their Air Force bearing and many ANG units far surpassed regular AF units in their skill levels. I worked in Imagery Intelligence in the 192nd Air Reconnaissance Squadron and retired as NCOIC. The 192nd had the reputation of being the best Reconnaissance unit in the Air force. We maintained that status for most of the 20 years spent flying the RF4C.
My section became the 192nd Intelligence Squadron and operates independently from the flying unit which now operates C130's. I've been retired from the Guard since 1993. I still miss it!
The thing I noticed most was that, at least in my unit, the personnel in the ANG steadily became more professional in their Air Force bearing and many ANG units far surpassed regular AF units in their skill levels. I worked in Imagery Intelligence in the 192nd Air Reconnaissance Squadron and retired as NCOIC. The 192nd had the reputation of being the best Reconnaissance unit in the Air force. We maintained that status for most of the 20 years spent flying the RF4C.
My section became the 192nd Intelligence Squadron and operates independently from the flying unit which now operates C130's. I've been retired from the Guard since 1993. I still miss it!
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