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I got into a debate with an elderly fellow who served right after Korea and he didn't think the Browning .50 was a reliable machine gun.
The reliability of the Browning M2 HB is dependent on the crew serving the weapon.I got into a debate with an elderly fellow who served right after Korea and he didn't think the Browning .50 was a reliable machine gun.
What did you ma-deuce people call a quad 50?
I think I'll add to this. Before the old man passed on I remember talking to him about his 50 in Korea. During a firefight at a little Marine out post named Reno in "52" I think, the Chinese over-ran the post twice in one night. Each time they were pushed back!!!The reliability of the Browning M2 HB is dependent on the crew serving the weapon.
Headspace it wrong, time it wrong, it will not work. Did many a stint as Range NCOIC and PM Instructor with M2 rookies and saw it happen with those that did not pay attention.
There are other things that can destroy the long term reliability too. Not withdrawing the extension to the proper spot while installing the barrel will damage the little barrel locking lug/spring. Once that is worn to a useless nub, the barrel will unscrew during firing. I don't know how it was done, but I have also seen the lock for the bolt latch bent so it would not positively lock the latch down.
It has been referred to as "Ma Deuce" in reference to its M2 nomenclature. The design has had many specific designations; the official designation for the current infantry type is Browning Machine Gun, Cal. .50, M2, HB, Flexible.I served in the late 60's, and never heard the term ma-deuce while in the service.
But, the copula MG on an M60 Tank was an M85, not an M2....My troubles could mostly be the feed tray inside my M60A3 Tank Commanders cupola. No matter how hard you tried to lay out the ammo belt in the tray it seemed to catch and bind on anything and everything. It was common to continually unbind the ammo belt and charge it to feed another round.
That term came about to differentiate it from the other "fifty cal", the M85.I served in the late 60's, and never heard the term ma-deuce while in the service. Served 2 tours in VN with the Seabees, and everyone(Marines and Navy) called them "50 cals", or just "50". Our machinist mounted a scope on a .50 for some Marines(Hathcock?) in Phu Bai in '67. What did you ma-deuce people call a quad 50?
I think we are still using stocks of fifty ammo from the Korean era...I don't think we had ammo quality issues that would have been an issue like they were back in WWI.
Although, some of the M60s off the production line had problems. Like the M14, early production quality control was lacking.Much like the M60. They were good reliable weapons during the '60s and early '70s. By the 1980's, twenty years of abuse, neglect and budget cuts turned many of them to unreliable junk.