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need your help for this one. I’ve been offered this M16A1 Commando for a very faire price, but noticed that it is marked ‘M16A1’ and was wondering if you have ever seen an A1 of this size? My fear is that this might be the older A1 version that has been pimped and cut to look like a commando version of it. I tried researching the reference number but couldn’t find anything on the available databases online. I attach some pictures. Would really appreciate your help.
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I was always under the impression that the “commando” came with an 11.5” pencil bbl. all of the surplus kits that I’ve seen had the short bbl also. I’m thinking you have a regular m16a1 fa lower with a car style stock that has a A1 style 16” carbine upper on it. I think the label of commando should not be used to describe this weapon. Hopefully others with more model specific spec knowledge with reply.
 

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i don't thing they had a shorty in the m16 that would have been a slab sided upper. the m16 was still in redevelopment stages. .pictures look correct for an m16a1 shorty of the era. 6 hole handguards,nylon covered stock. then there was the xm177e2 with the big flash hider.
 

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I was always under the impression that the “commando” came with an 11.5” pencil bbl. all of the surplus kits that I’ve seen had the short bbl also. I’m thinking you have a regular m16a1 fa lower with a car style stock that has a A1 style 16” carbine upper on it. I think the label of commando should not be used to describe this weapon. Hopefully others with more model specific spec knowledge with reply.
So you think this could be a regular m16a1 that has been modified?
 

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I wouldn’t call it modified. To be modified you need to determine how that lower left the factory and what is different in its present state. It could have left the factory as a full auto car 15 with a 16” bbl, who knows. Who gave this weapon the designation as a “commando”. Is the seller the original owner and is there documentation to show that it left the factory as a commando, or has this weapon had numerous owners over the years and somewhere along the line one of those owners gave it that designation because it kinda looked like one? No matter what you call it it should be a great shooting package, light weight, adjustable stock, never fail fixed sights. If the price is right buy it and enjoy it.
 

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I wouldn’t call it modified. To be modified you need to determine how that lower left the factory and what is different in its present state. It could have left the factory as a full auto car 15 with a 16” bbl, who knows. Who gave this weapon the designation as a “commando”. Is the seller the original owner and is there documentation to show that it left the factory as a commando, or has this weapon had numerous owners over the years and somewhere along the line one of those owners gave it that designation because it kinda looked like one? No matter what you call it it should be a great shooting package, light weight, adjustable stock, never fail fixed sights. If the price is right buy it and enjoy it.
Sounds good. This is in Lebanon, so i would highly doubt that these came with factory certificates. It is not uncommon here for people to take old m16 a1s and cut them and modify them to look like m4s or commandos.

what made me doubt this piece is the fact that it is marked ‘m16a1’ although its a shorty, which if i understand correctly, is quite common? Its a very clean/neat piece and i would like to get it.
 

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I have seen similar M16A1 Carbines that were U.S. Navy weapons. IIRC, they had 14.5" barrels, though. The markings on the lower were different, since it was U.S. government property.
 

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Nice gun, I’d jump on it. I understand that M16 rifle were used in Lebanon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_the_Lebanese_Civil_War?wprov=sfti1

I think you have an M16 lower with an CAR or SP1 Carbine stock and barrel, so nothing cut up but a nice built with original Colt parts.

The CK (Colt Kaiser) forge code on the upper was used 1972-1973

Here’s my 1973-74 M16 with Israeli markings





And my 1980 SP1 Carbine



The original Commando, a XM177E2 from 1967



 

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Nice gun, I’d jump on it. I understand that M16 rifle were used in Lebanon

Weapons of the Lebanese Civil War - Wikipedia

I think you have an M16 lower with an CAR or SP1 Carbine stock and barrel, so nothing cut up but a nice built with original Colt parts.

The CK (Colt Kaiser) forge code on the upper was used 1972-1973

Here’s my 1973-74 M16 with Israeli markings





And my 1980 SP1 Carbine



The original Commando, a XM177E2 from 1967



Wow! Amazing pieces you have over there. 20-bullets mags look so good on the commando.

Thank you for the reply. Do you think mine could be an original 654?
 

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Wow! Amazing pieces you have over there. 20-bullets mags look so good on the commando.

Thank you for the reply. Do you think mine could be an original 654?
I am not a specialist so I can’t say. Is the barrel 14.5 or 16 inches ? I believe the 654 had a 14.5 “ barrel.

As already mentioned you should post in the vintage section of AR15.com, some real knowledgeable people there.
 
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