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Looking for advice on buying my first M1A

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Having recently been bitten by the M1A bug, I've been trying to research M1As so that I will know exactly how to best invest my money. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a lot of hard data on M1As in general, and am hoping some of you will be willing to answer some of my questions. I imagine I should start by filling you in on what I'm looking for.

Accuracy and reliability/durability are of the utmost importance to me as I'm buying this gun to fill many roles (hunting, ranch gun, target shooting, etc) and hope to be able to still rely on it and it's accuracy in 20 years. Unfortunately I won't have a lot to spend on it which is one more reason I'm trying to find out what make/model will offer the most for my money. I won't be able to spend more than $2,000 at the absolute most and would prefer to spend a lot less if possible.

What models would you reccomend that fall into my spending range? If you've shot those particular models, what size groups did you get? Does the M1A only shoot 7.62 Nato, or will it use 308 Winchester as well? Are there any good USGI or equal quality kits still available and if so, where? I've been looking at the Spring Field "Loaded" M1A, can anyone attest to it's accuracy and reliability? Lastly, if you were in my situation, with the amount given above to buy a rifle, and were looking at buying your first and possibly only M1A, what would you buy?

I appreciate any help given with these questions. I may only be able to buy one M1A and I just want to make sure it'll be a gun that will live up to the M1A reputation. Thanks for your help.
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Something you didn't include is whether you plan to scope it & what you think would be your normal ranges & maximum range of use.
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transposed, welcome to the forum.......

Welcome, transposed, fo the forum - boy for your first post, you cover a lot of ground. The guys here will gladly guide you through your first post as they have a great amount of knowledge and are willing to share. For the price you are willing to pay, I am sure you will get a great deal for sure. I don't see how you can really get too far off track with any M1-A you decide on. I started out with the same goal and ended up with three of them - a Nationl Match, a Scout/Squad and a SOCOM. See what happens when you can't make up your mind!? Again, welcome
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Having recently been bitten by the M1A bug, I've been trying to research M1As so that I will know exactly how to best invest my money. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a lot of hard data on M1As in general, and am hoping some of you will be willing to answer some of my questions. I imagine I should start by filling you in on what I'm looking for.

Accuracy and reliability/durability are of the utmost importance to me as I'm buying this gun to fill many roles (hunting, ranch gun, target shooting, etc) and hope to be able to still rely on it and it's accuracy in 20 years. Unfortunately I won't have a lot to spend on it which is one more reason I'm trying to find out what make/model will offer the most for my money. I won't be able to spend more than $2,000 at the absolute most and would prefer to spend a lot less if possible.

What models would you reccomend that fall into my spending range? If you've shot those particular models, what size groups did you get? Does the M1A only shoot 7.62 Nato, or will it use 308 Winchester as well? Are there any good USGI or equal quality kits still available and if so, where? I've been looking at the Spring Field "Loaded" M1A, can anyone attest to it's accuracy and reliability? Lastly, if you were in my situation, with the amount given above to buy a rifle, and were looking at buying your first and possibly only M1A, what would you buy?

I appreciate any help given with these questions. I may only be able to buy one M1A and I just want to make sure it'll be a gun that will live up to the M1A reputation. Thanks for your help.
Well, if you do have the 2 grand, then I would buy a complete LRB rifle.

Or, you could get a barrelled action fo $1169.00 + $99.00 for the small parts. Then all you would need is the gas system, a FH, op rod, trigger group and a stock- heck, why not just go for the complete rifle?

It already comes with all USGI parts and if you went for a new SA Inc. rifle, replacing the parts with USGI (which you don't neccessarily need to do) would bring the cost up close to that anyway.

If I did not have that much, then I would be patient and look for an older SA Inc. M1A. They can be found here and there for alot less than 2 grand and they are excellent rifles.

New Fulton & Armscorp rifles are close to 2 grand also with USGI parts.
And I would go for the LRB in that case as well.

BTW, I'm not biased in any way, I don't own a LRB- I have a SA Inc. M1A, a Armscorp, and a Fulton.
Welcome.

Springfields have a great warranty, and many are very happy with their rifles. Many have used their lifetime service warranty several times. I have no personal experience, but my uncle has his serviced after 400 rnds.

Best value and quality right now is definitely LRBarms.com LRB receivers are USA forged (the best) and Lou and his team are putting together complete rifles now!!!!! They are $2,000 and worth every penny.

I decided on a LRB build before they started selling complete rifles. my bush rifle will be a LRB receiver with USGI TRW Op rod, trigger group, and 2 TRW bolts in woodstalker camo synthetic with 18" barrel, unitized gas system and SEI parts with stripper guide modified ARMS18.
I'm spending alot more money too.

Fulton Armory rifles are reportedly very nice, but a long wait.
Others are Armscorp, Norinco/Poly, and others
Custom builds by Warbird, Ted Brown, Smith Enterprises, etc..

Good luck.
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I paid about $1,150 for my Springfield M-1A with a synthetic stock (excluding accessories).

I would recommend the Springfield M-1A Scout model with a synthetic stock. The barrel is 18 inches and it's all you need with this rifle.

I wish I would have bought my M-1A with an 18 inch barrel rather than a 22 inch barrel. Other than that I love the rifle I have.

Advice on accessories: Buy atleast four more twenty round magazines for your rifle. Make sure they are United States G.I. magazines.

Also don't pay more than $40 a piece for extra magazines. Avoid aftermarket magazines. All the aftermarkets I have ever bought were junk. I buy my magazines off Gunbroker.com or AuctionArms.com from people with atleast fifteen good feedbacks.

I would also advise against buying 5 round magazines for the rifle. They are so dinky small you have a hard time getting them in or out. Block out a 10 round magazine so it will only take 5 rounds if you want to take your rifle with you hunting.

Hope that helps.
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I had the same questions about 1yr ago. I studied and read what I could here in this forum. I bought Scott Duff's book,the m14 owners guide.
When i finely was ready to spend my money I went to the gun show and looked at a lot of rifles.
what i found was a jan03 SA loaded. it was used(not much) glass stock,nm barrel,cali legal brake. but the price was right .
as soon as i got it home i shot it and shot it etc. THIS IS FUN!!!
100yds=1"-2"groups with good surplus ammo. with match ammo it shots around 1" or less IF i do my part.
i am very happy with this rifle. "justshoot"
First off, thanks for the welcome and replies everyone. :)

huntinghawk:
I would like to scope the rifle, though perhaps not immediately after getting it. I'd like to get used to it and the iron sights first. One of the many reasons I decided to get an M1A is because I'll always have iron sightd to fall back on, with many modern day rifles capable of long distance shooting there are no iron sights.

My normal range will probably be 300 yards or more as I'm moving to a mountainous area in a couple of years where I will be doing most of my hunting. I'll also probably do some longer distance target shooting. The range of the long distance target practice will probably end up being dictated by how far out the rifle and ammo can maintain decent accuracy.


MrUREasy:
Thanks for welcoming me. :)

M14 LOVER & 1911_Mitch:
I haven't spoken to anyone who has shot a M1A manufactured by LRB. What did you think of their accuracy? Would you both rate LRB's rifle as being better and having more accuracy than Fultons? Is the $2,000 they cost MSRP or the actual retail price?

2nd_Amendment_Defender:
I looked at the Scout model as well and while definitely an appealing gun, I have no idea as to how it's accuracy holds up to the SA's Loaded and better M1As. What kind of accuracy are you getting? I also thimk it may be in my interest to get one with a longer barrel than the scouts as I'll be doing some long range shooting.

Justshoot:
Sounds like you found a good deal. :) If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for it? Did it have any work done to it after it's original purchase to accurize it? I've been trying to find out what kind of accuracy to expect from various M1As (especially the SA Loaded), you are the first to report.


If any of you have knowledge of M1 Tankers, would you mind looking at my post in the M1 Carbines section? I found an M1 Tanker today and due to hearing they were rare, good guns I put it on layaway, but I really don't know much about them, if it was a wise investment, or what they are worth.
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rifle didn't have a mark on it 1,100$ the only things i have done,striped and cleaned rifle. lubed use grease lots of grease. i tighted rear sight by puting 1 center punch mark on elevation slide then had to stone in down just til smooth. I now shoot mostly handloads for ammo.
I had WARBIRD fix me up a trigger group , it's nice and smooth now.
I tryed to shoot this rifle with a purdy super match walnut stock but groups opened up to3-4" . when Iget time i'l glass bed and see what happens.
at first i bought this one just to shoot as is,improve later. I got lucky, this is the shooter i dreamed of.
do your homework you'll find a good one.
practice makes perfect "justshoot" often!!!!!
sounds like you want to scope it eventually and you want it for some long distance shooting.

I would go with the 22" barrel. 18" barrel is probably best for 400 minus. With the 22 and good glass, you could be good for 800.

I have no firsthand experience with LRB accuracy or any others - yet. My build will get going in another couple weeks.

LRB is building rifles with complete USGI parts (which is what you want)

As for price - Check out the website LRBarms.com

You will have to add FFL cost (30-100 bucks) and probably a few misc fees.
If you take your time and look around good rifle's are out there in the 1200 and up range. A friend picked a nice low 70xxx range sa with all usgi parts that was like new for 1300.00 a few month's ago at the gun show.
M1A

Take your time in choosing if you can.
My 1st was is a SA upgrade boiught in 97.
the 2nd is a pawn shop SA for a real steel got bacik in the fall of 04.
Read and study,here or talik to some shooters,Cannot recommend one specifically,dang some one on here may be able to sell you a startup rifle .
Good choice on design . I am still learning.
Welcome Transposed, Im a newbie to the m1a also. I bought my first m1a about a year ago it was a standard springfield armory rifle. The rifle is great and shoots pretty good, I scoped the rifle and have put about 3,000 rounds thru it without a single problem. I paid 1400.00 for it. My second M1a that i just purchased about a month ago is a Armscorp National Match, The rifle was used and at a used gunshop. It had only been shot several times and was flawless. I picked that one up for the same price as my springfield and with iron sights it out shoots my springfield. So i guess what im getting at is if you have time i would hunt around for an armscorp, LRB or one of the other all USGI builds that are sligthly used, You can pick up a very nice rifle for less than 2 grand and have money left over for accessories.
Welcome aboard transposed, I don't own a LRB yet, but hear nothing but good about them. If I had the $$$ I would get the LRB with the scope rails made to the receiver. That would save a couple hundred bucks for a quality mount. I also would go with the 22" barrel. In the mean while I would keep my eyes open for good deals on a used M14. Good luck with your project.
Welcome aboard. You're gonna love this rifle like a fat kid loves cake.

I recommend your first m1a be the full sized rifle, as opposed to a scout or SOCOM 16. Appreciate the rifle as originally intended. There's nothing the Scout/socom can do that the rifle can't, but the opposite is not always true.


As much as you study the rifle pre-purchase, I would also caution you to study the issues on m1a magazines very carefully. There are a lot of crappy mags out there, masquerading as USGI. Some are USGI shells, but have bogus followers and springs that seem to have come from gram-pappy's chime clock.

I tell ya, magazines can totally make or break a rangeday. It isn't like an AK where any mag you find will fit, and run right.

See our other thread in the firing line

http://www.m-14forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12932

This was a problem I had that turned out to be mag related.

Someday, a decent, affordable magazine will be available for this rifle. Ttill then, learn from the research I didn't do.

--Fargo007
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scopedrifle

If you're going for accuracy with a scope you'll want a full length barrel and a rear lugged reciever. Right now the shorty's are popular and will probably remain so for some time as they're easy to get in and out of aircraft and vehicles. Accuracy and hunting? Take a look at what dominated service rifle competition worldwide for three decades.
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Lastly, if you were in my situation, with the amount given above to buy a rifle, and were looking at buying your first and possibly only M1A, what would you buy?
I was in your situation 4 years ago.
When I asked for buying advise everyone said get a Standard. I looked at both the Standard and the Scout.
After a little side-by-side range time I went against the grain and invested in a Scout - no regrets.
It is my one and only rifle and I have no plans or reason to buy another. NOTE: I have made a few modifications over the years...

To stay under your $2K limit shop for a slightly used Standard, Bush or Scout - plan on buying a few USGI mags and cases of ammo.

Good luck and keep us posted.
The Standard vs Scout is a hard choice. I know I wake up in the middle of the night with cold sweats and screaming SCOUT!!!!!(just kidding) But I love my standard M1A, well it was a standard when I bought anyway. But the real answer to the question is buy both. It's just up to you which one you buy first. You'll get the M14 fever just like the rest of us and it's always to your benefit to have more than one. I am about to purchase a new nitron P226 next month but am already looking at and making plans for the coming months at a new LRB Tanker or SA Scout. It's too hard to just stop at one. I find it better to not fight it and buy more!!!!!!
If you really only think that you'll be able to buy one, than you have to sum up what your most likely to use it for and how each suits that. The Scout/Tanker does seem like the perfect balance between range and mobility, but if you think your going to do more long range shots and probably never any close cramped shooting than the extra barrel length doesn't hurts. Just solve the battle though by buying both if you can and give some joy to a family member or friend by letting them go hunting with you and using one.
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Welcome transposed :D I am shooting a SA M1A "Loaded"
(1997 production) and it has served me VERY well. I have just started getting into service rifle competition but still have alot to learn.
My accuracy is around 1 MOA, somtimes alittle larger and somtimes alittle smaller. depending on mostly me :oops:
I got mine used (very slightly) it had the M2 bipod (do NOT use if your shooting for group), the SA 3rd gen scope mount and a nice SA 6X scope. It was exactly what I was looking for, I gave $1600 for it.
If you scope yours you will want somthing on the stock to get your eye lined up with the scope, I dont have anything yet and I shoot better with the iron sights. Hope this helps
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