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Well, I'll stick my neck out and say Mr. Trump is not an Idiot.

He knows his Base, actually better than ANYONE else...

That is what got him elected, when 3/4 of the Country thought he was a Joke!

People forget what Obozo and Hillary tried to do while in the White House, the best Monkey Shine, among many, was the United Nations run around...

All of these attempts was thwarted by our 2A Organizations putting out the word, and the Memberships reacting!

Just sayin, the Donald knows very well to not mess with our AR-15's, unlike the Dims!
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Agreed, but the only laws passed by Obama expanded gun rights, and Trump has only created restrictions.

What the ATF decided to do about 7n6 ammo was their own thing. No, Obama didn't stop the ATF, but I already said he wasn't pro-2A.
Trump is selling a false bill of goods when he says he's pro-2A.


I know what Grandpa Scratch-n-Sniff wants to do. I just don't think he'll actually be able to get it done. Similar to a certain wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for. The wall which only 3 miles have been built, that American taxpayers paid for. Politicians in general campaign on all kinds of promises that can't be done. That said, I do not like Joe Biden and I especially don't like Kamala Harris.
How many miles is that you say?? Try 110 miles, from the WA Post that hates Trump! Look, libtards always love to point out Trumps OBVIOUS hyperbole about getting MX to fund the Wall. I knew he wasnt serious, it was another of his little throw away lines. But 3 miles??
"Trump has promised to build at least 500 miles of new fencing by early next year, and his administration has completed about 110 miles so far. To meet the president’s targets, crews will need to add about 30 linear miles of barrier per month throughout 2020, more than double the current pace of construction."

Other than the ban on stupid bump stocks, which are not firearms, and some of his off the cuff statements, libtards love to quote, he hasnt done anything against gun owners. But the main point is that trying to compare the parties and their leaders over gun control is ludicrous! There is NO comparison.
 

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No ,you really can't put 330 million into two categories , but it seems , those on the Democrats. side seem to vote in line no matter what . It's not that all Democrat's are Commie Socialists , but just about everyone in office is & guess who votes them & their beliefs in, so if those voting to install these Commie's in office , we or I , can believe they believe in their policies & thats why they voted them in , in the first place . Why would you vote for someone who doesn't share partly or totally in your own beliefs , why ? Could it be that we have been bombarded with night & day propaganda & lies about one of the Candidates for five years , which constitutes BRAIN washing , for the masses who have weak minds, that is .

If one doesn't vote , IMO they have no say in what is the problems or who they think runs what . If you believe in the Constitution , there is only one choice & I'll give you a clue , its not the Village idiot !

I'm trying to be nice , I don't mean to insulting , just the facts . & Dang Seagiant , but because of the shoe comment I was forced to look at her shoes , but I had a hard time looking that low .
 

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You can't sort 330 million people into only two categories, because there's going to be significant numbers of outliers across party policies.
(SNIP) One friend is very Democratic, and very pro-2A (he even has a scary black AR-15). Both of my parents are Republican and pro-choice. Some of my fiancee's friends are very Democratic and pro-life. My half-brother hates Antifa, supports BLM, Bernie Sanders, and hunts regularly (i.e. pro-2A).
Like it or not, in reality and for all practical purposes, at the polls they will be sorted into two categories.

There's an awful lot of contradictions going on there...
 

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One of the most important aspects of who the president is, is the judges he puts on the bench. In the next four years we'll need to replace at least one and probably two supreme court justices. We need judges that will support the constitution as is, not redefine it.
I'm subject to the Ninth Circus Court. (It's bad enough having Sacramento dictate my restroom habits and otherwise raping my state.) I need this court to protect me from the unconstitutional laws being imposed. During Trump's administration, the Ninth Circuit has changed somewhat for the better. We need the Supreme Court to test laws against the constitution untainted by political agenda.
California is a model of what our country will be if the Dems. win this election. California is essentially a one party state.
Republicans and fringe parties have absolutely no power. Make no mistake about this.
Being fractionalized will be the death of our country as we know it. I understand sympathizing across the isle or supporting a third political phylosiphy. There are many sides to any arguement. Answers are seldom black and white.
That is not what is going on here. This election is about a culture divide. Do we want our constitution to survive? Or do we want to redefine it according to who (party) is in power? This is black and white. We don't have the luxury of seeking the middle or supporting a more "common sense" party. Most republicans want to make everybody happy (seek the middle.) The Dems. don't care. There is no third party that has what it takes to even come close.
The Dems. and republicans are like kids in the back seat fighting and squabbling and not getting anything done. We need to pull the car over and take charge. Trump has been getting things done for the better in spite of both parties.
For the better for the world at large. For example, a lot of countries are now standing up to China and getting out from under their heavy hand.
If the Dems. lose this election, the riots will likely increase. There will be so much backlash against it, that it will end quickly. Those that advocated for and excused the violence will go down in flames. The Democratic party will have to redefine itself and have to come to the table with better than they've had to offer in a long time.
Any of you remember Khrushchev? He beat on the table and swore an oath "We will bury you!". Study up on Russian tactics and tell me you aren't afraid of what's happening here.
 

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...and hunts regularly (i.e. pro-2A).
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You are smart and quick on your feet, but I would like to teach you something if you will allow me to.

"Hunters" are not necessarily pro-2A. A lot of them are FUDDS. Hunting is one of the furthest activities from supporting the 2A.
To be pro-2A, you have to support ALL aspects of gun rights, even things you do not like yourself, i.e. full open carry, concealed carry, bump stocks, so called "assault weapons", high (normal) capacity magazines, saturday night specials, .50 caliber rifles, full automatics, etc.

Anyone that says "I support the Second Amendment, But......", then goes into why something shouldn't be legal, they actually really don't support it. They are merely using it for the portion they like, then condemning the rest that other great Americans count on for self defense or security, or whatever they see fit.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful and not looking for a debate because the simple premise I'm saying is true. Now, everyone is free to their own opinion and beliefs and I respect that, but but somebody can't support something by partially supporting it. And you might be quick to say your brother really does support the 2A, and he might, but "hunting" is not a valid yardstick for supporting it. The 2A is not about hunting at all, the preamble to the Bill of Rights is crystal clear that our enumerated rights are about limiting government, and it is the right to stand up to tyranny and for self defense. Bearing arms means owning, carrying weapons that a person can physically transport not limited to rifles, but cannons, rocket launchers, etc. The militia clause, the militia is "the whole people except for a few public officers", it is NOT the national guard if it is the whole people, and it doesn't state that bearing arms is only limited to when you are acting in militia service. A lot of the left has either out of ignorance or worked hard to deceive the public about what it means. So, to support the 2A means that you support the free ownership, use, and having upon our person weapons and accoutrements, whether they are politically correct or not. Defending the 2A has only become a far right position because far left hacks want to take our guns. They made us, we didn't make them. If the left wouldn't constantly be going after guns, there would be no 3%ers, no militias, etc.

So, hopefully this clarification will help readers decide a little more where they stand.
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Hi,
I'm a Lifetime Member of my local Gun Club.

To be a member you have to join the NRA, and...

I've met some people, that don't like that!

The ignorance of Citizens, Gun Owners, and the American Voter...

Is amazing sometimes???

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On a lighter note, who really cares if her shoes do not fit?? Through out history two efforts are required to establish a socialistic/communistic society and they are number one, lessen or eliminate the powers held by the police forces in the Nation and second is to take the firearms from the population. Read Marx and Mao's manifestos to fact check this issue. As stated in many of the postings here, there will be a start up of a "civil war" but will be stomped down quickly by the Federal Government and the people who support D.J. Trump. Yes the ACLU and other legal minions will be ignored in order to do just that, so be it. The only political party being responsible for such actions after the election will be the Democrats and will be held accountable in a variety of ways, it will happen. The resolve and patriotism of the bulk of American citizens is very strong and will set the course of America for the future which is actually quite bright and do indeed look forward to it, we all should.
 

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Instructor, I hope you are correct that "The resolve and patriotism of the bulk of American citizens is very strong...", however, I fear that the resolve and patriotism has been seriously degraded by the liberal/socialistic/communistic professors at our colleges. They have brain washed our children into their ideas and beliefs. Hitler used this plan with his Hitler Youth program in WW2 and it produced some of the most intense fighters of the war. Control the minds of our youth and you decide the future of our country. There should be no "Native Americans, African Americans, Polish Americans, Mexican Americans, etc." Your either an American or you are not. You are either pro 2A or you are not. Either the Constitution and Bill of Rights is the law of this land or it is not. This election will indeed decide where this country is going. Get the hell off the fence!

In a lighter note - Seagiant, I really, really had to strain to look at her shoes!

Tom Paine, appreciate your attempt to lighten things up before the brass knuckles and baseball bats came out.
 

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Instructor, your optimism is refreshing. I'd like to believe it; but, why aren't the bulk of Americans holding the media accountable? There are many who are weary of negative press against Trump and the riots. They believe the way to make it go away is to make Trump go away. There are too many who are naive and weak who want the government to take care of us. It's too easy to vote the path of least resistance without thinking through the consequences.
I'm glad you mentioned the Communist Manifesto. Another good thing to look at is the social and economic atmosphere of Germany that empowered Hitler. The climate is very similar here. Even though the current economic climate is artificial. The mean education of Germans at that time was better than the mean education of Americans at this time. They fell for the promise of a chicken in every pot and willingly gave up their guns in exchange for prosperity and security.
Another problem we have is lowering the voting age. There are a lot of millinials who believe they aren't able to partake American privilege. And text their complaints while driving to Starbucks without having to worry about where their next meal is coming from. The sense of empowerment is alarming. They believe they can pick themselves up by bringing others down.
 

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I've said this before, but I would like to see the Draft reinstated, to get these kids that aren't in school some hands on discipline and direction.

Also to give them some pride and Patriotism of their Country.

So much bad going on in Education these days, and we all know the stories.

As far as the 12th SS "Hitlerjugend" Panzer Division, a story I was told by an old timer aboard ship, was...

Montgomery with the Brits and Canadians, were suppose to take Caen in the Normandy Invasion in 3 days...

Took them over a month, because the HilterJugend were already there with their 88 FLAK guns and put up an almost suicidal fight that made the Brits and Canadians literally break down and cry!

Over 4000 "Kids" were killed in that battle on the German side...
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Seagiant, I have nothing to add to the argument today, but I want to thank you for the pic of the shoe girl. (y)
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LOL, yea, admittedly, she's hitting on all cylinders...

As a Buddy of mine used to say!:cool:
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Shoe Girl , she has a name now , I say she is the one of the best you have posted , its hard to really judge one against the others though.

The 2nd Amendment is the only thing stopping the Liberal Democraps from completely making the masses succumb to their every will, & that is, Socialism ,which is another word for Communism , make no mistake about that . If any believe any differently , you'all need to wake up.
 
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