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No, there is ZERO question about what party our rights will best remain. The R party is far from perfect, but the D party has so much outright animus towards our rights its not even a close call. To think otherwise is foolish.
Exactly.

The leaders of the party do control its direction, and based on all the evidence presented there is absolutely no question about which party, and candidate, is more pro-gun/pro-2A and which one is full-on anti.

"Gun Control" is on the top of the list for the Dems - they will tell you that flat out.
 

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Ive said this before, but wish I could drop some of the Elite Dim Congressmen/Women in the Sudan or any number of other SHoles I have had the pleasure to visit...

And show them what a real Third World Country is like and why we don't want to go there with this Country.

People think that can't happen here but they are mistaken.

These Dims, are like a kid playing with matches next to a gas can, and seem to have no idea how quick things can go South and be irrepairable.

As an Adult I feel I must show them the error of their ways...

Of course, one has to be smart enough to see it, when shown???
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Trump has tried to fix this country he is a third party candidate as far as i am concerned but the entire country is against him there has never been a president more discriminated against and picked on then Mr Trump.
You know the double standard of the Democrats we werent allowed to cast one bad stone at that turd obungbutthole.
 

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Regarding the impending civil war, I have become convinced that we are in the beginning phase of that right now.

Here's what I see coming.

If the Libtard Socialists win:
They will assume that they have suddenly been blessed with all of the cards and all of the rights. Their first move will be that of a typical eastern European dictator and they will immediately mobilize to crush the rebellion against their doctrine. This will not end well, as We The People with our superior Training/Tooling/Thinking will exact a Heavy toll on them for this attack.
The end result will be a Civil War which they will have started.

If the Libtard Socialists Lose:
They will immediately take up the worn out chant of unfairness and we don't like this president, etc., etc. The Rioters and Mobs will step into overdrive and ramp up the "Burn America to the Ground" machine that they have been tuning up for 3-4 months now, with little or no adult supervision.
They, emboldened by the lack of official or public response, believe that they have the power to actually win this fight. They're wrong, but dumb enough to believe their own propaganda, so they'll try for sure.
We, having been robbed of the proper controls and checks and balances, will end up having to do the dirty work and show them that Yelling/Looting/Rioting is not acceptable behavior and does not constitute good tactics in a gunfight.
The end result will still be a Civil War which they have started.

I apologize for the bleak assessment, but after the most recent 4 years of these people choosing the absolute sleaziest approach in every single action that they have taken against America, I see no reason to assume that they will start acting like Humans or Americans. To believe that they will step back and begin acting as sentient beings now, is denial and not conducive to winning the fight.

This isn't going to be fun.
It has been coming for many years and will do some serious damage.
I wish you all the best of luck in the coming months.

God Bless America,
Les
 

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The leaders of the party do control its direction, and based on all the evidence presented there is absolutely no question about which party, and candidate, is more pro-gun/pro-2A and which one is full-on anti.

"Gun Control" is on the top of the list for the Dems - they will tell you that flat out.
I still maintain that both parties want to disarm Americans, but I will concede that the current Republican administration (and let's throw Bush #2 in there, too) is less anti-2A than the previous Democratic ones (at least since Clinton, before that I was too young to pay much attention).
 

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I still maintain that both parties want to disarm Americans, but I will concede that the current Republican administration (and let's throw Bush #2 in there, too) is less anti-2A than the previous Democratic ones (at least since Clinton, before that I was too young to pay much attention).
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I still maintain that both parties want to disarm Americans, but I will concede that the current Republican administration (and let's throw Bush #2 in there, too) is less anti-2A than the previous Democratic ones (at least since Clinton, before that I was too young to pay much attention).
Moral relativism sucks. It’s not even close. It’s like Rachel Maddow v Ivana Trump In a beauty contest.
 

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Trump has taken more actions against the Second Amendment in within 3 years than Obama did in 8. In fact, Obama expanded gun rights during his terms (allowing for carry in national parks and allowing Amtrak passengers to check firearms in luggage). If you want to call that 'moral relativism,' I'd ask you to return to our reality and consider some indisputable facts:

Trump is on film stating "take the guns first, due process second."
Trump banned bump stocks and the NRA showed its belly because his tie is red instead of blue. Even the ATF thought it was silly.
In 2010, ATF decided it could not regulate bump stocks because officials said the devices did not meet the definition of a machine gun. A 1986 law bans the sale of machine guns manufactured after 1986 and restricts the sale of such guns before that year.

ATF officials concluded that bump stocks did not fall under the law because they did not permanently alter a gun’s trigger mechanism.
The Trump administration asked ATF to reconsider that decision.
On Friday, after Sessions’s announcement, Trump took to Twitter to blame his predecessor for allowing bump stocks to go unregulated for the last eight years.
“Obama Administration legalized bump stocks,” Trump tweeted. “BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS with a mandated comment period. We will BAN all devices that turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns.”
Only two gun laws made it through Congress during Obama's two terms in office, and neither placed additional restrictions on gun owners.

In fact, the two gun laws signed by Obama actually expanded the rights of gun owners in the United States. Attempts to limit the size of gun magazines, expand background checks of gun buyers, and ban gun sales to buyers on terrorism watch lists all failed to pass under Obama.

Perhaps the most significant Obama gun control measure was not a law but a rule that required the Social Security Administration to report disability-benefit recipients with mental health conditions to the FBI’s background check system, which is used to screen firearm buyers.

This isn't to suggest that the Obama Administration was pro-2A, I don't think that's the case at all. I'm using these examples to illustrate that the Big Blue Boogeyman isn't as scary as he seems.
 

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Supporting POS Democraps while claiming to support the second amendment is like having sex with another man and claiming you are straight.
 

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Or like shooting six holes in the bottom of a life raft and offering to help bail water.
 

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It supposed to be funny, but I am not a funny person. I'm an engineer, not a comedian.
My background is accounting and engineers and accountants are inherently limited in their view of everything. Both disciplines function on preciseness, no gray areas, just black and white, either it's right or it's wrong. I find it quite easy to differentiate between red and blue persons and, like many others, I believe there will come a day of reckoning. This nation cannot continue on the path we are on, and the blue persons cannot fix what is wrong because they are what is wrong.
 

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My background is accounting and engineers and accountants are inherently limited in their view of everything. Both disciplines function on preciseness, no gray areas, just black and white, either it's right or it's wrong. I find it quite easy to differentiate between red and blue persons and, like many others, I believe there will come a day of reckoning. This nation cannot continue on the path we are on, and the blue persons cannot fix what is wrong because they are what is wrong.
I think that's a pretty narrow lens to view people through, and it's a wholly inaccurate description of me, in particular. I don't know anything about accounting, but I would also argue that engineers thrive in the grey areas, because it's often in these in-between states that innovation is made. See also: the invention of the transistor amplifier in the tri-state region, which birthed most (if not all) of modern electronics. Engineering is about optimization and applied science, which often involves quite a bit of compromise between manufacturability and idealized theory.

It seems like you're doing the very thing you're accusing me of. As opposed to 'black and white', you see people only in red and blue - no purple allowed.

You can't sort 330 million people into only two categories, because there's going to be significant numbers of outliers across party policies.

I'm more left-leaning than you guys are (which is why I call myself the 'Token Libtard'), but I'm not a Democrat. I like some of the Libertarian policies, but not of enough of them to consider myself a Libertarian. I'm certainly pro-2A, but not a Republican. Most of my friends hold similar stances. One friend is very Democratic, and very pro-2A (he even has a scary black AR-15). Both of my parents are Republican and pro-choice. Some of my fiancee's friends are very Democratic and pro-life. My half-brother hates Antifa, supports BLM, Bernie Sanders, and hunts regularly (i.e. pro-2A).
 

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Trump has taken more actions against the Second Amendment in within 3 years than Obama did in 8. In fact, Obama expanded gun rights during his terms (allowing for carry in national parks and allowing Amtrak passengers to check firearms in luggage). If you want to call that 'moral relativism,' I'd ask you to return to our reality and consider some indisputable facts:

Trump is on film stating "take the guns first, due process second."
Trump banned bump stocks and the NRA showed its belly because his tie is red instead of blue. Even the ATF thought it was silly.




This isn't to suggest that the Obama Administration was pro-2A, I don't think that's the case at all. I'm using these examples to illustrate that the Big Blue Boogeyman isn't as scary as he seems.
BS!!!
Trump made gun stores essential businesses
The obama administration implemented a HAZ MAT fee on all powder and primer orders
The obama administration let the ATF ban 7n6 5.45 ammunition
The obama administration sanctioned russia to STOP all importation of russian made SAIGA firearms the only reason he didnt pass more gun control was because the Republicans stopped him IE sandy hook assault weapon ban that was SQUASHED.
That obama was nothing more then a turd who could talk.
 

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And in case you missed it here is joe bidens gun control plan STRAIGHT from his web site. If he is elected this is what we will live with for the rest of our lifetime
And all of his Democrat buddies support it.
 

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the only reason he didnt pass more gun control was because the Republicans stopped him
Agreed, but the only laws passed by Obama expanded gun rights, and Trump has only created restrictions.

What the ATF decided to do about 7n6 ammo was their own thing. No, Obama didn't stop the ATF, but I already said he wasn't pro-2A.
Trump is selling a false bill of goods when he says he's pro-2A.

And in case you missed it here is joe bidens gun control plan STRAIGHT from his web site. If he is elected this is what we will live with for the rest of our lifetime
And all of his Democrat buddies support it.
I know what Grandpa Scratch-n-Sniff wants to do. I just don't think he'll actually be able to get it done. Similar to a certain wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for. The wall which only 3 miles have been built, that American taxpayers paid for. Politicians in general campaign on all kinds of promises that can't be done. That said, I do not like Joe Biden and I especially don't like Kamala Harris.
 

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Keep on bailing son, yer getting wet.
 

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Agreed, but the only laws passed by Obama expanded gun rights, and Trump has only created restrictions.

What the ATF decided to do about 7n6 ammo was their own thing. No, Obama didn't stop the ATF, but I already said he wasn't pro-2A.
Trump is selling a false bill of goods when he says he's pro-2A.


I know what Grandpa Scratch-n-Sniff wants to do. I just don't think he'll actually be able to get it done. Similar to a certain wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for. The wall which only 3 miles have been built, that American taxpayers paid for. Politicians in general campaign on all kinds of promises that can't be done. That said, I do not like Joe Biden and I especially don't like Kamala Harris.
Annd the sanctions on russia that stopped SAIGA and the hazmat fee??
You give trump no credit for making gun stores essential businesses i guarantee you obama would have never did that.

As for the bump stock ban your right and i fought most people on this board tooth and nail when it was passed i even called out the NFA owners as being the problem... It is a lost battle so I am expending my resources on stopping biden now.
 

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Annd the sanctions on russia that stopped SAIGA and the hazmat fee??
Trump did the same thing. It's a wash on that one.
On June 20, 2017, the U.S. Treasury Department added Molot to its list of Ukraine-related sanctions “for operating in the arms or related material sector of the Russian Federation and for acting or purporting to act for on behalf of, directly or indirectly, Kalashnikov Concern,” the Treasury Department said in a statement.
The U.S. government alleges that Kalashnikov advised a foreign company in 2016 to use then-unsanctioned Molot “to falsify invoices” to bypass U.S. and E.U. sanctions.
What’s absolutely clear—the move will spike demand for the remaining Vepr rifles in America. The sanctions do not, of course, mean existing Veprs in the United States are now illegal, only that American buyers can’t legally import any more.
Curiously, the decision is a Trump-era expansion of an Obama-era policy—which the gun lobby once rhetorically blasted.
 
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