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The Dims support Commie Revolution, but then want to disarm us!

Uh, I don't think so Joe.

What a Moron, makes me ashamed this Idiot is actually running for President!

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No, this is a bad echo chamber to confine yourself to!

Don't assume the left is unified on 2A rights - it's not. What might seem like hypocrisy is actually a large political party that's starting to divide. Most of the left is still willfully ignorant and scared of guns, so they support any and all gun control legislation that people can dream up. They don't know any better and they don't care to learn.
Some of the left (and it's a growing number), because of recent events, have decided to look into their 2A rights for the first time. They're buying their first guns for home/self defense and recognizing that a lot of the gun control laws in place either don't make sense or are ineffective. These are gun-rights newest and potentially strongest advocates if their numbers continue to swell, because they're going to vote for people that support 2A.

The 2A (and obviously the rest of the Bill of Rights, too) is for all Americans, not just Republicans. The less politicized 2A gets, the less it becomes a pawn in our whole left v. right two-party BS we have been stuck in for the past few decades.
 

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No, this is a bad echo chamber to confine yourself to!

Don't assume the left is unified on 2A rights - it's not. What might seem like hypocrisy is actually a large political party that's starting to divide. Most of the left is still willfully ignorant and scared of guns, so they support any and all gun control legislation that people can dream up. They don't know any better and they don't care to learn.
Some of the left (and it's a growing number), because of recent events, have decided to look into their 2A rights for the first time. They're buying their first guns for home/self defense and recognizing that a lot of the gun control laws in place either don't make sense or are ineffective. These are gun-rights newest and potentially strongest advocates if their numbers continue to swell, because they're going to vote for people that support 2A.

The 2A (and obviously the rest of the Bill of Rights, too) is for all Americans, not just Republicans. The less politicized 2A gets, the less it becomes a pawn in our whole left v. right two-party BS we have been stuck in for the past few decades.
Hmmm...well the leading members of the party are outwardly anti-2A so they dictate the party's overall direction.

Considering there are Democratic Socialists being represented as well - I'd say that's 2 strikes. Kamela makes 3.

At this point I don't think you can say you are pro-2A and a Dem.

Time to realize that they have no interest in your 2A rights.
 

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I'm all for any Dim, "coming to Jesus" and know a few in my own family (Southern Democrats) that have, and actually looking forward to vote, for the Donald.

Hopefully, as was stated, the 2A issue, and our Right to Defend ourselves, will bring more Moderates, to the Alter!!!
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Hmmm...well the leading members of the party are outwardly anti-2A so they dictate the party's overall direction.
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At this point I don't think you can say you are pro-2A and a Dem.
You can't judge an entire party by the few people at the top of it. I don't really consider myself a Democrat, but even if I was, it's not like I can cast a vote from Oregon to get rid of Nancy Pelosi in California. I did not vote for Joe Biden in the primaries. Yet, these folks are still at the top of the DNC, despite my personal stance.

From the right's perspective, ask yourself this:
During the 2016 Presidential Primaries, was Donald Trump your first pick for the Republican nomination? If not, you likely voted for him in the main election anyway, because you felt it was better than voting for Hillary (or any other Democrat, maybe). That doesn't mean that Donald Trump necessarily represents you as well as someone else might have, but you stuck with the team in spite of that, right?

The Democratic Party is similar, but it's even more pronounced because it is not as cohesive across policies as the Republican Party.

There are a lot of left-leaning gun groups out there.
You can absolutely be pro-2A and a Democrat, it just comes at the expense of not being 100% subscribed with one of only two political ideologies, which, honestly I see as an indicator of being able to think for yourself..
 

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Gosh Darn Sea Giant, I don't know how you keep making great posts. It must get tiring, but keep it up anyway.

At this point I don't think you can say you are pro-2A and a Dem.
There are people who will vote Democratic no matter what, because the leaders know how to press those manipulation buttons, and it is so embedded that even if they wanted to 'think critically', I don't think they could.

There are also people who may or may not vote Democratic, but also may or may not vote Republican. When you can find a few of these that can actually benefit from a rational presentation of unbiased information, by all means, welcome them to a conversation. They may very well be the edge of a turning tide.

In the long game, this is a cultural war, regardless of what the constitution actually says. It sure helps to have it spelled out, but it is obviously not sufficient if enough people are willing to ignore or willfully misunderstand it. What is more, the constitution can be amended, not just for better, but definitely for worse, if enough ground is lost.
 

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Dont even remember who I voted for in the '16 primary, but I sure as heck voted for Trump in the general! The rest were not much better than libtards. I sure hope electricnic is right about the left and gun rights, I suspect he may be on to something as there has been a serious uptick in first time gun purchases and thats likely the base of that group. I am not too worried about Bidens plans, he didnt write it, and has no idea who did. If he wins and thats a BIG IF, he will just be along for the ride.
They can pass whatever new stupid laws Judge Roberts allows them to, they wont be in power long this time and I will just sit it out. Not giving anything back to someone I didnt buy it from in the first place, they can suck it!
 

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Well, I am not voting for either candidate. Also, to constantly conflate democratic platforms with communism is like calling all republicans fascist. It does nothing to solve the national problems, and it muddies any possible conversation.
I for one am exhausted from all of the shouting. I would love to see a real dialog for once.
 

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There are people who will vote Democratic no matter what, because the leaders know how to press those manipulation buttons, and it is so embedded that even if they wanted to 'think critically', I don't think they could.
That sword cuts both ways, and that's the sword that's splitting the country in two.
 

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Well, I am not voting for either candidate. Also, to constantly conflate democratic platforms with communism is like calling all republicans fascist. It does nothing to solve the national problems, and it muddies any possible conversation.
I for one am exhausted from all of the shouting. I would love to see a real dialog for once.
I assume you intend to vote. So if you vote for a third party loon, you may as well vote for Biden, and his party like it or not is the most likely party to come for your guns. You should think about that before declaring you wont vote for Trump. You are most likely to keep more of your personal freedoms with him in office.
 

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So if you vote for a third party loon, you may as well vote for Biden, and his party like it or not is the most likely party to come for your guns.
It's funny hearing this argument from the other direction - I'm used to hearing a vote for third-party is essentially a vote for Trump. I hope that a third party does emerge and take some of the weight out of the RNC and DNC so maybe they can make policies based on what their own voters want instead of just what trolls the other party the most (which is how we got 2A so politicized in the first place - thanks Democrats).

As for the second half of your statement, I wouldn't be so sure. Both parties seem pretty interested in disarming Americans.
 

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It's funny hearing this argument from the other direction - I'm used to hearing a vote for third-party is essentially a vote for Trump. I hope that a third party does emerge and take some of the weight out of the RNC and DNC so maybe they can make policies based on what their own voters want instead of just what trolls the other party the most (which is how we got 2A so politicized in the first place - thanks Democrats).

As for the second half of your statement, I wouldn't be so sure. Both parties seem pretty interested in disarming Americans.
No, there is ZERO question about what party our rights will best remain. The R party is far from perfect, but the D party has so much outright animus towards our rights its not even a close call. To think otherwise is foolish.
 

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Well, I am not voting for either candidate. Also, to constantly conflate democratic platforms with communism is like calling all republicans fascist. It does nothing to solve the national problems, and it muddies any possible conversation.
I for one am exhausted from all of the shouting. I would love to see a real dialog for once.
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Not impressed, Tom....

The "Fence Sitting" Days are over!

The Dims and the Rino's, along with their Masters, (CHINA)...

Have turned this into a "do or die" situation, that must be dealt with, NOW...

If we want to keep this Country, Independent and Free!!!
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Nice to hear from you Sea Giant, I hope all is well in Florida.

It's not fence sitting, I am just done with the bs of the two wings of the corporate party. I was hoping Mr. T would alleviate that, but no, it is the same partisan stuff only amplified. We need a common goal, not a common argument.

You take care down there, okay?
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When I saw Mr. 'T', I was thinking, you know, Rocky 3. I was thinking, "Hmmm.... why not?" I don't know anything about his politics, but as far as celebrity personalities go... I'm good with it.
 

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Well , quoting the Washington Post is your first mistake... This paper lost all objectivity many years ago. I remember in my past life, working just outside of DC, the post was the finale word and they were good at putting the information down the middle of the road, an letting the the educated consumer make his or her decision.. Now they are just an opinion paper and are very anti Trump, just like the rest of the MEDIA!!!!!!

I guess I'm getting old, the days of Walter Cronkite on the CBS evening news are gone...

Keep your POWDER DRY!!!
 

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Read the Constitution and especially the Bill of Rights. Somehow, the Feds and the President have been "given" too much power that isn't in the Constitution.

The biggest left leaning threat is the lack of free speech. If they don't like what you have to say, you are not just "wrong" but a physical threat to the world and open to any kind of retribution.
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