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I recently ran into some "7.62x51 NATO" made in Lithuania but they are not a NATO country. It is packaged similar to the South Africa only in 200 round packs instead of the 140 packs from South Africa. Has anyone tried them. I get good performance from the SA and wonder if these are comparable? They claim to be boxer primed.
 

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I would imagine that Lithuanian ammo would work great. Although they are not a NATO nation, they applied for and were refused NATO status, along with the other Baltic State of Latvia and Estonia. Lithuania also uses the M14 so I would have to say it would be fine in an M1A.
 

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Yeah...you should have nabbed that GGG. Boxer-primed and great stuff. The supply has dried up completely.
 

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I recently ran into some "7.62x51 NATO" made in Lithuania but they are not a NATO country. It is packaged similar to the South Africa only in 200 round packs instead of the 140 packs from South Africa. Has anyone tried them. I get good performance from the SA and wonder if these are comparable? They claim to be boxer primed.

Just looked it up on Wikipedia. Lithuania became a full member of NATO in the spring of 2004. Didn't look up the dates, but Estonia and Latvia, are also listed as full members. A little history on GGG. The ammo plant was set up to produce .223/.308/and 50 cal for NATO. Don't know about the .223/50 cal., but they start producing 7.62 for part of 2003/all of 2004/and part of 2005. It was all done on new machinery under the supervision of Winchester Engineers hired to get the equipment set up and running for NATO Certification of the plant. The certs were granted in 2005, and it looks like all the ammo produced from that time on have a NATO stamp and sold to NATO only. Hence 03/04/early 05 ammo do not have the NATO stamp , but was sold thru commercial markets. I'm wondering if the ammo you saw came from the commercial batch, or NATO is cutting some loose on the commercial market? There would be a lot of happy people here, if some of the new stuff would be available again. I haven't shot enough SA to make a accuracy comparison w/the Litho, but I will say that the brass for reloading compares with LC. Maybe others can make some accuracy comments. PS: You should have bought it when you had the chance. dozier
 

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I never bought any of it but the GGG brass is fantastic! Its loads great and is a high quality grade of brass too, nice primer pockets too. I wish I could have bought some of this when I had the chance. The brass alone is worth it.
 

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Good ammo great brass

The plant was built in 2001 by Winchester/Olin, they needed a few years of production before getting the NATO headstamp. That early production ammo without the NATO headstamp is what was sold on the open market. I bought a bunch of 03 and 04 headstamp Lith. I wish I could have afforded more.
 

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Cool Change,

Remember the 10 Golden Rules of Ammunition:

1) You can never have too much ammunition on hand. 1k rounds per battle rifle is a good minimum to start with (fubar).
2) Supplies of good surplus run out before you know it, and usually when you're running low on ammunition so buy plenty while its available.
3) When in doubt about how much ammunition you should buy, refer to rule #1.
4) Ammunition is meant to be shot, so shoot often.
5) Because of rule #4, ammunition must be replenished often as well.
6) When replenishing supply of ammunition, refer to rules #1 through #3.
7) You must buy at least twice as much ammunition as you shoot (fubar).
8) Always store ammunition in a cool dry place (TEA). The only time you have to much ammunition is when you have a house fire(Slick).
9) If you don't have room in your house to store ammunition per rule #8, build a bunker or a cellar in your back yard for storing ammunition (TEA).
10) Friends don't let friends buy Indian surplus ammunition (TEA). Or Never buy surplus ammunition from a country where you wouldn't drink the water (midrat). ,

The Lithuania I have fired.

Lithuanian, '03,[ GGG ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant.
Lithuanian, '04,[ GGG ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant.

How it did with other military surplus ammunition across the world I have tested.

1, M118LR Lake City from 2003. Top score of 200-13X, on a SR-1 NRA standard 100 yard target, 1-20 round mag only with my NM M1A.
2, German DAG, surplus from 1993, 200-12X.
3, M118SB Lake City from 1963, 200-10X.
4, M852 Lake City from 1988, 200-10X.
5, Radway Green surplus from 1990, 200-10X.
6, M118SB Lake City from 1985, a 199-12X.
7, Australian MF surplus from 1966, 199-10X.
8, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1979, a 199-10X.
9, Radway Green surplus from 1985, 198-12X.​
10, Belgium surplus from 1977, 198-10X.
11, Bosnian surplus from 2003, 198-10X.
12, Radway Green surplus from 1995, 198-8X
13, South African surplus from 1980, 198-6X.
14, Santa Barbra surplus from 1980, 197-14X.
15, Argentine surplus from 1983, 197-8X.
16, German DAG, surplus from 1976, 197-8X.
17, Austria surplus from 1980, 197-6X.
18, Greek surplus from 1980, 197-6X.
19, German MEN 41, surplus from 1969, 197-6X.
20, Singapore surplus from 1986, 196-11X.
21, Israeli surplus from 1974, 196-10X.
22, Australian ADI surplus from 1988, 196-8X.
23, Bosnian M118 surplus from 2003, 196-8X.
24, Yugoslavia surplus from 2002, 196-6X.
25, Malaysian surplus from 1982, 195-6X.
26, Malaysian surplus from 1983, 194-9X.
27, Lithuanian surplus from 2003, 194-6X.
28, Yugoslavia surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
29, Venezuelan surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
30, Denmark, surplus from 1993, 193-2X.
31, Canadian, surplus from 1970, 192-8X.
32, Chilean, surplus from 1976, 191-4X.
33, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1978, 190-4X.
34, Austria surplus from 1978, 190-3X.
35, South African surplus from 1981, 189-1X.
36, Pakistan military surplus from 1979. Score of 188-4X.
37, Indonesian surplus from 1985, 187-1X.
 

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I've had early production lots without the NATO circle and later production lots that have the NATO circle. They all shot fine but the early production lots seemed hotter than most military ball ammunition but showed no signs of overpressure. The later production lots seemed about right and compared to most other military ball ammunition. The cases are good quality.
 

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I bought 1000 rds. from Ammoman in NJ about 7 yrs. ago.
About 1/2 left. Just now decided to reload it. De-primed and cleaned
50 rds. Any special considerations? Planned to swage, deburr, reform
pocket and small base resize. Headstamp: GGG 04.

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Like others, I wish I would have gotten more. Shoots really well for me and I love the brass. The only case of that I got was 05 production and was NATO marked. I'm in the process of primming some of it now.
 

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I have only been able to locate '03 & '04 out West...

Lithuanian, '03,[ GGG ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant.
Lithuanian, '04,[ GGG ], Boxer, zero crimp with red primer sealant.

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I bought 1000 rds. from Ammoman in NJ about 7 yrs. ago.
About 1/2 left. Just now decided to reload it. De-primed and cleaned
50 rds. Any special considerations? Planned to swage, deburr, reform
pocket and small base resize. Headstamp: GGG 04.

I've been lurking for a bit and just decided to join. Great info and good
people.

ThanksUSNA
Get some good lube for this brass. Either Redding Imperial wax with dry neck lube or Forster high pressure case lube.
It is harder than LC, but you can get a few more reloads out of them.
I still have about 1400 once fired cases (03,04), It's great brass.
It's best to de-prime and size separately.(as you have posted) The primers are the hardest to remove of any case I have de-capped.

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Some ammo porn



IIRC I was giving $350 a 1000 just before the first election of the gun salesman of the year. If I knew then what I know now I would have mortgaged the house and bought more. I did managed to snag about 6K and as the Arcticdog always tells me, be happy with what you got when you did.

Man it is scary out there I went in the the local sporting goods store where I usually pick up my 22lr ammo and they had NOTHING, I mean NOTHING in 22lr or center fire ammo. Academy is a big chain and usually has a lot of ammo on hand. Their gun racks were pretty empty too, nothing left but bird hunting shotguns.
 

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I need some guidance. I've got a chance to pick up two sealed 1000 round cases of this stuff at .75/rd. Is this a good price? This would put me in the black as far as ammo is concerned for a good long while. It would require dipping into the credit card but Id rather have ammo than money any day.
 
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