OCD= Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
OCD= Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
ARDog,ARDog said:On WB's site I read that they made about 4600 receivers. From the note's in your work on known receivers, I notice only three digit serial numbers. Is there any evidence of 4 digit receivers from Devine Texas?
Were the barrels always hand stamped in a font with serifs?
I have now seen pictures of at least two apparently machine stamped barrels with RT 1 BX 210 DEVINE TEX, no serifs.
Was this a common counterfeit?
I have started down the path and not knowing the facts is killing me!
Mr. Different, do your studies and the information on Mr. Warbird's site agree? Is there a difference of opinion?
Is Mr. Balance still available?
Sorry for the probe.GI3 I'm OCD and there is no "off" switch.
The fact that some Texas address barrels were shipped to Ilinois with the sale to the Reese family is a given and there's no dispute on that. Mr. Ballance confirmed that for me. He's told the same to Warbird as well.ARDog said:So, some of the barrels shipped to Illinois just might have the one line address machine stamped under the gas plug but are not "devines"?
Did I read that barrels and receivers? got shipped east and some of those became the not true "Devines" or fakes?
I saw all the verified "Devines" were 3 digit but read the 4600 receivers and not sure what to infer there.
What was the criteria for the pic on Warbird's site, the pic of the one line address, that made that one fake and how are we supposed to tell?
You wrote two paragraphs about early barrel markings and Texas Barrel Markings in different sections of your book. I think the online version around pages 107 and 155. The PDF is a pia to search and manipulate. I thought in the two paragraphs, that address barrel markings facts had a conflict . Might take a look.
I think if you contact Rifleman/FMJ he might have a little present for you.
I was referring to the PDF format which I believe is annoying to many. In no way do I think your work is substandard in any way, quite the opposite.Different said:The fact that some Texas address barrels were shipped to Ilinois with the sale to the Reese family is a given and there's no dispute on that. Mr. Ballance confirmed that for me. He's told the same to Warbird as well.
AFAIK, I'm not the decision maker on anything M14. I'm doing research no one else has done and I'm sharing that information. I try not to jump to conclusions. This is a work in progress. AFAIK, no one has made any decisions about what is a Texas/Devine/San Antonio M1A. I did state in my post that I was asking questions RHETORICALLY.
I don't understand how you say I state in my book that only three digit serial numbers could/should be considered "Devine" M1A rifles. I don't use the term. Serial numbers above 2000 were shipped directly from Devine, TX in 1974 to FFLs. This is established information for those of us following this for some time.
I'm very sorry here. I was just trying to understand the criteria.
I already stated, ~ 4600 M1A receivers had been shipped to Texas by the time it was sold to the Reese family. Not all of those 4600 receivers had been sold by November 1974. So, the ones not sold were shipped to Illinois along with the rest of the inventory from Texas. Why is this difficult?
I am dense and haven't been able to interpret your years of research easily. I will shut up for a year and read before asking more questions.
Today, I examined M1A serial number 001389 and interviewed the original owner. It has a two line Devine address barrel marking. It's hand stamped and has serif font lettering. The credibility of the owner is very well established, Bruce Dow of Dow Arms Room (Dade City, FL). I have photos of the barrel marking but they did not come out well. I'm a terrible photographer.
Yes, the Online Edition of M14 Rifle History and Development may be a PITA to search. I use the Ctrl-F feature to search for things. OTOH, it's free. I don't know too many people giving away years of research.
Print the pages you want to read from the Online Edition or print the draft version of the Third Edition on the M14 Rifle Library CD. You have permission to print those documents for personal use.ARDog said:I was referring to the PDF format which I believe is annoying to many. In no way do I think your work is substandard in any way, quite the opposite.
I own your book and think it is well layed out, magnificent. I was trying to look up text for others to reference and the PDF format and my brain don't do well together.
Listen, I think some how you have misinterpreted my tone or demeanor as offensive. I am very sorry if that is the case. I will just sit back and watch/learn until I am up to speed. I am curious and it's not coming as fast as I like. My problem.
Sorry if I made it yours somehow.
I can feel a chip on your shoulder and I apologize.
I understand that the PDF standard is just that, free so we all can share its use. This does not mean that I take your generosity for granted. It was not personal.
I owe you a coffee!
it was hand stamped on the old barrel ...it sports now a shiling barrel ..cz777, does M1A serial number 000601 have any Texas address barrel markings? If so, what is the address marked on the barrel? Is it hand stamped or engraved? Is the address in one line or two lines? TIA