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BETTER THAT THEY LEARN FIREARM SAFETY AND HANDLING FROM THE GET GO , than after they have accidently shot someone(innocent bystander, relative, etc.) and find themselves on the way to jail for a long,long time.
 

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Well...Of course as Disciples of the American Gun Culture, we want to promote goodwill with who ever wants to learn and join.

My problem is, I do not really associate with Libs or even really Democrats in general.

I am not curious as to their Agenda or ignorant of their intentions, so am not really seeking any out to learn, as I know to much about them already.

Having grown up with guns, since I could walk really, and raised where shooting was as social as your parents having a drink in the evening with friends...

Someone that is hard line Anti Gun, would be to me, like an Alien from a far off strange Planet.

All that to say, I will keep an open mind on this but not really seeing Libs riding in to save the day, on us preserving our 2A Rights!!!
 

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The problem with them is they never expected their far left socialist agenda to inconvenience them. That was reserved for anyone that disagreed with them (namely us). Now that the shoe is on the other foot they're irate and confused. Again, karma's a …...:ARM28:

They're having to deal with the silly crap they heroed and demanded. I have no pity for them.
 

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You lot are certainly better people than I'll ever be.

I love the fact that the very laws that have been foisted upon us by them are now biting them in the backside.

They will never change, they will always hate us. They will always see themselves as our betters and know what's best for us because in their minds we're to ignorant to know any different. They would happily see the police kick in our doors and take our guns, and if they were the ones to make the call they'd brag about it in their little circles.

I recently posted this elsewhere but it's still germane so I'll c&p it here.

Folks at work were asking me how/where to get guns, I told them they needed to sign up for and take the class. Then once they got their certificate they need to make an appointment with their PD for the interview and wait for that. Then once they interviewed and passed the sniff test with their LO their paperwork gets submitted and then it's off to the state folks to do their magic.

Some asked how long that would take so I told them depending on where they lived possibly up to a year, maybe longer. None were happy with that answer. I told them they should try the gun show loophole or the internet seeing how it's super easy to get a gun that way.

I got some pretty pissy looks the following day.

I've worked with some of these nitwits for over two years now, you'd think they'd be able to pick up on the sarcasm when I'm laying it on thick enough to spread.
LO is Licensing Officer, here each towns "requirements" are different. While there is a state form, towns can add any other requirements that they see fit depending on the CoP attitude towards firearms ownership.

Fortunately in my town the CoP is fine with just the state paperwork. A neighboring town requires 3 reference letters and in person interviews with each person among other nonsense.
 

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Everyone was a first time gun owner at some point-cut a little slack here. Maybe help educate these first time owners when you encounter them at a range.

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I agree that, and everytime I meet people they´re INTERESTED in weapons, I help, explain them how guns work, often let them shoot my guns.

People who are scared about criminals and therefore buy weapons, (even though they're even more afraid of them ) you will see one or two times at the range and thats it.
 

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Someone that is hard line Anti Gun, would be to me, like an Alien from a far off strange Planet.
We won't see "hardline" anti-gunners come over to our side. However, we may see some of those who sort of went along with the anti-gun rhetoric come over to our side when they are confronted by the folly of gun control.

This pandemic is one of those situation where folks preconceived notions can be challenged. Many have been moved out of their comfort zone.

I have had the opportunity to interact with many folks who really weren't part of the gun culture but for various reasons decided that they needed to be able to protect themselves. I have instructed women who had never fired a gun previously. Some had only fired a cal .22 rifle years before. However, they were drawn to seek training for various reasons. Many were single women or widows who realized that they were vulnerable but weren't satisfied to stay that way.

I remember learning in psychology that once our "core values" are established (and that occurs at about age 7), the only way that we change our values is through a significant emotional event. For some folks the significant emotional event that directs them toward firearms is being victimized or having a close friend victimized. For others it is more subtle - like the death of a husband who was the source of security or serious fear of crime. Right now, many people are afraid that the release of criminals from jail into their communities combined with reduced law enforcement manpower puts them at significantly increased risk. There isn't anything wrong with that thinking but to many of us, it seems to be late coming. Nonetheless, we all come to conclusions at different paces. I'm just glad that they see the world in a little clearer light now.
 

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Most who vote DEmocrat do not know why they vote Democrat. They are just taken in with the general flow of things in that party..of 'inclusiveness and tolerance'. If one looks really hard, they pretty much realize they made a mistake. Once you talk w/ them, you would be surprised so few who have been reading or know what is going on.

I think an idea is to approach them w/ care and ease them into the political climate of our country. You would be surprise how many are conservatives..and don't know they are.

But then again...you will find those who have been indoctrinated from birth and have giant blinders on to vote Democrat at any cost.

The failure of conservatives I think is not caring enough about how much we get surrounded and only make noise when we are close to being overrun. WE should be even more vigilant ..to fight on the many fronts. It is uphill all the way but..worth fighting it.
 

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Most who vote Democrat do not know why they vote Democrat.
That sword cuts both ways. As an example, if you were to select a bunch of hot-button issues and ask my mom where she stands on them, she'll wind up distinctively left of center on almost all of them. If you ask her which party/candidate(s) she supports, she will tell you she's a 100% Republican and she votes for Republicans.

Needless to say, she isn't very well represented by her party, but that's on her. LOL1
 

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That sword cuts both ways. As an example, if you were to select a bunch of hot-button issues and ask my mom where she stands on them, she'll wind up distinctively left of center on almost all of them. If you ask her which party/candidate(s) she supports, she will tell you she's a 100% Republican and she votes for Republicans.

Needless to say, she isn't very well represented by her party, but that's on her. LOL1
Hi,
Interesting...My Mother and Sister, both voted for Obozo (TWICE!)

I kept telling them and showing them things that the Dims were doing.

Well, they finally figured it out and voted for Trump last election and have left the Dim Party behind them.

THAT, is what we need, is to turn People the Right way!!!USN5
 

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rickgman - As you may be aware since say the '80s there has been a lack of "father" figure in most of those folks lives also the army wasn't hiring. So I can see why folks go find "trainers". I don't know which is better the some so called trainers or youtube? At least they're trying?

I hope my other local where my pistol's sitting for sale open back soon. I need a pandemic to unload a .40S&W it's too bad gun stores are non-essential but pot shops are.
 

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rickgman - As you may be aware since say the '80s there has been a lack of "father" figure in most of those folks lives also the army wasn't hiring. So I can see why folks go find "trainers". I don't know which is better the some so called trainers or youtube? At least they're trying?
You are correct about less folks having the benefit of parental firearms instruction and far less military training across the nation's polulation. As a result, folks need to get training some other ways. There are a lot of different options and not all are appropriate - especially when one considers the fact that even among those seeking training there is a huge difference in familiarity and skill level. Some folks have virtually no experience. Some have a little but not nearly enough. Some just need to expand their skills. Some only need training because it is mandated in some states if you wish to obtain a CPL. When it comes to instructors/trainers, there is just as much variation. Some are excellent and some are horrible but most fall in between. Some really focus more on training law enforcement and military personnel but they do allow citizens to attend their classes. Some are more into providing an "adventure with guns" as opposed to actually improving the students' skill levels. One seeking training must choose wisely. Some You Tube videos are very helpful but some are full of nonsense.

If one wants to get the most out of training, I suggest choosing an instructor/trainer who believes in mastering the basics. That is where proficiency lies - not in performing the latest unproven techniques or idiotic drills. Good training generally isn't very showy - it is actually sort of boring since repetition is the key to being able to perform well under stress. It is necessary that the gun handling skills become ingrained in one's subconscieous so the mind can focus on those things that require judgement calls. Contrary to what some people say, the human mind really can't multi-task. It can only do one cognitive task at at time. In a gunfight one must be able to perform weapons handling and manipulation in addition to figuring out what to do tactically. if the weapons handling and manipulation are etched in "muscle memory" things go a lot better.
 

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True!

If anyone here has ever taken Martial Arts, Karate. Akido, Wing Chun, just to name a few.

They have what is called, Kata's, or forms, and this really defines the art in it's self and how it is used.

As was explained by Rick, these "forms" are repeated over and over until they are preformed by what Bruce Lee calls "it"!

He said in a stressfull situation, "it" takes over and does the fighting.

Self Defense with a firearm is no different of course and is where training comes in and why I believe we have a slight advantage if we ever have to use our weapons in a life or death situation and, maybe no more than, how to operate and reload the weapon under stress!
 

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I worry about the gunowners who are sociopaths. LOL YOu cannot mistake them - they will shoot at anything. These are the same people who have sat thru the safety classes and said yes to everything and promised all to abide by responsible firearms ownership and shooting. But sooner than they are out of the class go out and be a danger to everyone around them. Trigger-happy Gilmores are all over..even in the military, police, civilian..name it.

When my friends and i shoot outdoors far from home, we designate an overwatch - a person w/ a fully engaged weapon ready at a moment's notice. I would hate to be focused on target thru my sights and someone will cap my behind when I was not looking. We just take turns doing overwatch while others shoot.

Let us face folks, you never know who is shooting next to you. Maybe i am paranoid a little but remember Chris Kyle - my friends kind of looked at me funny the first time I mentioned the idea but they eventually understood. We are there a whole day anyway so we needed not to get done in the next hour.

The point is - it is dangerous out there. And it is hard to know who is who out there. I am just extra vigilant with my sorroundings always.
 

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Some of my democrat friends are all clamoring to get firearms, after the prisoner release. I was laughing. Some ordered firearms and confused when told that they have to wait or cannot get ammo on same day. I told them ..well YOU voted for all them anti-gun laws. Now they realize how the law-abiding jump the many hoops just to be law-abiding.

The threat of being victimized has become very real all of a sudden to liberals. But..we should welcome them w/ open arms. I hope they do not end up killing someone by mistake coz of incompetence being new firearms owners.

There is a fight coming and even liberals can sense it.
Same thing happened in Ct with the cov19 outbreak. People buying stuff online, having it shipped to LGS and finding out they can't own it. No permit no anything, even 22 ammo.

Such is life when you believe the BS dispensers on the tube.
 

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That would be correct!

Guns or Firearms are FREEDOM...

It has always driven me crazy, that half this Country can't seem to figure that out???

Hopefully if nothing else good comes out of this situation it will be more People defending their 2A Rights, and...

Getting away from CHINA and bringing our jobs back to this Country.

Easy to see the bought off Senators and the MSN fighting for CHINA and trying to blame everything on the Man trying to get us out of that one way situation anyway!

As I have said before, the Alarm Bell is ringing, Folks!!!RNGR3
I'm glad to see that I'm not alone, I've been saying the same thing for a few years now.

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My brother the "LIB" who is now enlightened said to me over the weekend "looks like maybe I should have stocked up on guns and ammo a while back". LOL BANANA1
 

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My middle brother who does not like guns called yesterday asking about the process of getting a handgun. He lives out in Oakland, CA. He, his wife and 2 kids are in a pretty good area since they live near Broadway and College Ave. I told him the things I know about some laws in CA -10 day wait background check, class & test. He got pretty frustrated that he couldn't get a gun right away. Most of the questions he asked I had to say No. Nope . Can't do that. Nope, not legal. I emailed him later with links to cali guns(?) on the process of getting a firearm and also ammo. I think once he reads through that, he will be even more frustrated.
 

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Hi,
That would be correct!

Guns or Firearms are FREEDOM...

It has always driven me crazy, that half this Country can't seem to figure that out???

Hopefully if nothing else good comes out of this situation it will be more People defending their 2A Rights, and...

Getting away from CHINA and bringing our jobs back to this Country.

Easy to see the bought off Senators and the MSN fighting for CHINA and trying to blame everything on the Man trying to get us out of that one way situation anyway!

As I have said before, the Alarm Bell is ringing, Folks!!!RNGR3
Come out to Vote and vote right, They won't touch us or our guns.

She is super hot by the way.
 
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