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Another thread on this forum "made" me post this.

So lets say that the Bad Days are here. ie the STHTF, we are WOROL [with out rule of law] The end of the World as we know it, etc, etc, etc...

And you live in an area where lets say deer are abundant...

Weii I do not know about you, but I am not going to go out hunting with a 22 Hornet, or ANY other type of "hunting" rifle.

Simply stated if the Bad Days are here I am not going "outside" with ANY rifle other than my Para Military high Cap magazine fed rifle.

I would not want to be "out and about" and run into a few or a "bunch" of Democrats or Zombies...

Simply stated I will be carrying my Combat Survival Rifle, even when looking for deer for the pot.
 

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So for most of us, our Combat Survival Rifle will be one of the following, a 223/5.56, a 7.62x39/30 Russian Short, a 308/7.62x51, or the 30/06...

So It would be a great idea to have some "hunting" ammo on hand that shoots very close to your standard stickpiling ammo.

I have actually shot a couple of deer with the 223, and the 30 Russian Short.

I used ammo with bullets designed for deer sized game and they both killed great.

I have done a large amount of hunting with the 308 and a fair amount with the 30/06.

So I would recomend that you test some hunting ammo in you rifvle of choice, as hunting ammo is a much better killer of game vs military ball ammo...
 

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The one problem is the 30/06 Garand.

Most hunting ammo is loaded with a slower powder, that is not suitable in the 30/06 Garand.

I have personally had High Pressure signs, as well as failures to extract, with Commercial hunting ammo in a 30/06 Garand.

It is a very simple measure to load good hunting ammo for the Garand.
 

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My Bottom line thoughts are, in the Bad Days, I would ALWAYS want to be carrying my High Cap Protection Rifle, What Ever I was doing...

So I Will have a fair amount of "hunting" ammo, for MY Rifle, and know where it hits.

Just in case, big game foraging becomes necessary....
 

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For this area, a "long" shot on deer is anything over 100 yards. Average being about 40-50. There are lots of em.

If I was hunting in a "SHTF scenario...I'd likely be doing it with a spotlight at night and taking very close range shots. Hunting rules are in place for a reason, but when you got mouths to feed and no other way to feed em, fairs fair I say.

With that in mind most any hunting round will shoot close enough to POA to get the job done, for me.

So far, I've dropped them with the 223, an M1 Garand, Mauser Kar 98k, and a 30 cal carbine.

All worked fine, but I really prefer the bigger rounds. They'll all do it though, especially at such moderate ranges.

The best of the above mentioned was the M1 Garand...The Mauser, etc have sights more conductive to hunting in times of lower light (which is also when the animals move around the most) but the rest of the time, that or the M14 gets my pick. Easiest to shoot well, and fast.

For pure hunting for hunting's sake, I'd really rather have my Winchester model 70 with it's Leupold 3-9x50, but if the need arose, there's nothin wrong with hunting with the military rifles either.

If anyone reloads on the cheap, I've found that the Hornady 150 grain FMJ and 165 grain SST shot so close to POA with the loads I was using, I would not sweat it out to 200 yards. We're talkin inside an 8" circle being all you need.

I would really heed NE450N02 on the suggestion of using the hunting ammo though. I've seen the results of shooting a deer with a bonded bullet from a 300 WM that resulted in a complete pass through with no expansion.

The end result was that a 308 caliber bullet that does not expand was woefully unimpressive. Even when properly placed. A 223 round that expanded would have yielded much better results. The animal completely disregarded being shot by what we can all call a powerhouse of a round and ran like hell til it finally expired.

I wouldn't see a military surplus bullet unless it was something funky like the older West German 7.62 doing anything different.

If anyone has the 223 as their go-to round, the first hunting bullet I would look to is the Barnes TSX in whatever weight your rate of twist is optimized for.
 

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Quite frankly, I think line between military rifles and hunting rifles is disappearing anyways. Advances in firearms have always trickled down to the private hunter. Look at how many people are using AR style rifles for hunting now. The 223 is adequate for most game from deer down to rodents and the bigger calibers like the 6.8 and 243WSSM are available for those who don't like the 223 for hunting. I wonder how newer stuff like the 458 SOCOM and the 50 Beowulf will do against larger game like bear and moose.

And if there is no law and order, nobody cares if you hunt with 30 rounds of 223, 25 rounds of 6.8 or 10 rounds of 50 Beowulf. Your hunting rifle will dub as a personal protection rifle.

Since the scenario you describe includes elimination of law and order, I'd have a silencer on hand for my rifles and pistols. There's no sense in telling anyone within a 10 mile radius that you have just bagged a deer, elk, wolf, coyote, rabbit, beaver, nutria or any furry 4-legged creature.

I discussed ammo selection a couple of years ago too. I was thinking that since people are not bounded by the Geneva Convention or Hague Convention restrictions, why are people hung up on ball ammo. Newer non-FMJ stuff is more effective in transferring all its energy into the target that FMJ stuff which passes right through.

Now say if the deer is hiding behind a small tree, a brick wall or a car door, I may want a FMJ bullet instead. But in most cases, I want a soft point, or ballistic tip to stop the food source from running too far.

http://m14forum.com/ammunition/69412-bullet-options.html

Good thread...

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I have my personal doubts about 5.56 / .223 for the local deer, but wisdom culled from TV hunting shows tells me deer sizes vary widely from region to region and 5.6 is fine in southern and some western parts. But 5.56 is as small as I would ever go unless desperate. A couple hundred soft point bullets (I would pick 7.76 / .308) should last you for the rest of your SHHTF life since, as already suggested, available big game would not last very long (no harm of course in having more). If I was in big-time moose and grizzly or distant-range country, I'd pick a specialized hunting round suited to those conditions, you know like .270 and so on.
 

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Good question

yes to carry main multi-purpose rifle at all times but I would only use it on last chance option for hunting . for all the reasons posted before. not best use of resource 1 = best knock down power of hunting round to plant game on the spot not to trail game into trouble , if noise is not a opsec concern then I would use a 12 gauge with slug up close and at night. if noise is a small concern the same round same time but offsite from base some distance away to be field dressed and back home before sunlight, so searchers would be looking in other area and not near base . if noise is major & serious concern then bow and arrow for kill in and out no real sound with this option 1could hunt in a area near others and not sacrifice opsec or at base camp and not raise noise threat. another option is the 22lr in a rifle with some sort of suppresion or muffling= small report and gives option of smaller game harvested hit a squirell or rabbit or groundhog with 7.62/5.56 and not much left for the meal ! so if you use shotgun you can switch from slugs to buckshot to # 7 shot for birds or small game.

still carry big rifle but save that ammo for real danger when needed !

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Assuming this thread doesn't get deleted for the words democrats & zombies... I'll give you my opinion. The deer in Georgia are very smart, they will seldom give you a shot over 200 yds.
I killed many a deer with a 45-70 while my hunting buds would use 270's or 308's only to follow the blood trail into the briars and swamps to retrieve them, and some were never found.
Then I thought to myself...since I have never had one mounted, why not make a head shot, It's giving the deer a slight chance and it's more of a challenge and the deer does not suffer.
Well...it works! I use a 220 Swift with a Hornady 50 gr. V-Max bullet and have made shots up to 300 yds. and I've never had one run off.
I could do the same with the M14 but I like trying different things and like always...bragging rights go along with it when you're sitting around the campfire with your favorite alcoholic beverage, after all...that's was hunting is really about isn't it. LOL
 

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I'm going to tromp threw the woods as little as possible to reduce being a target. Instead would hunt from any type "stand" probably with scoped crossbow but would have a shorty rifle with me.

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Another thread on this forum "made" me post this.
So lets say that the Bad Days are here. ie the STHTF, we are WOROL [with out rule of law] The end of the World as we know it, etc, etc, etc...
And you live in an area where lets say deer are abundant...
Weii I do not know about you, but I am not going to go out hunting with a 22 Hornet, or ANY other type of "hunting" rifle.
Simply stated if the Bad Days are here I am not going "outside" with ANY rifle other than my Para Military high Cap magazine fed rifle.
I would not want to be "out and about" and run into a few or a "bunch" of Democrats or Zombies...
Simply stated I will be carrying my Combat Survival Rifle, even when looking for deer for the pot.
What? You would head out there into the 'Bad Days' Without BACK-UP?
GI2
It's All 'Scenario Dependent'!
Heck, If Deer are all that abundant...let them come to you!
Put Out Bait! Then you won't have to haul the carcass back with your 'Battle Rifle' slung on your back!
GI2
I think the 'Ideal' would be...go out in a 'Fire Team'---Two! Or a Squad!
Cover Each Other, Carry More Food Back Quickly and Quietly!
If Stealth Is Needed...Use A Bow, Or Use A Suppressor...
Let One Guy Stalk and Kill the Deer! Everybody Else Cover Him!
As Many 'Poachers' have found to their embarassment...it's hard to stalk a deer while keeping a careful eye out for a Game Warden!
GI2
So, While It's Logical to Say One Should Be Fully Equipped With An M1A and Full Pack and Basic Load...It's Going To Be Tough To HUNT That Way!
And Double-Tough To Then Pack That Deer Way Back To Your Lair!

Seems Like...

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If I had to get game for survival in a "without rule of law" situation, with no Game Wardens around, I wouldn't waste ammo, I'd use snares and traps.
Those are of course good thoughts for small game, and in that regard there's also a lot to be said for an air rifle. Silent but effective, esp. if you get one in the higher velocities. I get hints this is a common planning strategy in Europe.
 

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Exactly. Every deer, cow, squirrel, dog, cat, chicken, horse, badger, rat, and socialist will be harvested in a couple of months. GI2
scenario,
Scenario,
SCENARIO...

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In WYOMING...there are more ANTELOPE than People!

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Air rifles might be worth a look. I saw a hunting show on TV a while back where they killed some wild pigs with one of thise new High Powered air rifles.

If they kill pigs they can kill a deer too.

Typo corrected.
 

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Air rifles might be worth a look. I saw a hunting show on TV a while back where they killed some wild pigs with one of thise new High Powered air rifles.

If they kill pigs they can kill a dear too.


Gosh...I Hope That Is Not A 'Freudian Slip' !?!?

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Air rifles might be worth a look. I saw a hunting show on TV a while back where they killed some wild pigs with one of thise new High Powered air rifles.

If they kill pigs they can kill a dear too.
After a very quick check on the internet, I see that air rifles are 'commonly' available in up to .25 calibre (not that I've actually seen one of those). Perhaps the pig killers were that, or something even larger.
 
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