[CeeJay]

Hello all,

I am not sure if any of you have seen something like this before, but it appears I have 2 different stock manufactures marks on the same stock.

Here is the Winchester markings on the butt.

But here is what I think is the mark of H. Sacks & Sons Inc. in the trigger area.

And then there is an N not sure if this means anything at all could be here for the sake of being here lol

What are your thoughts on this? Is it possible that H.Sacks & Sons made the stock but shipped it to Winchester? or Vice versa? either way I really like the stock its in good shape just needs a bit of cleaning and maybe some Linseed oil, since it is a NM stock I think I may put in on the Loaded M1A and see how they get along.

Cheers

CeeJay

 

[M1Army]

No - The manufacturer is Winchester WW-10110263 - that is referred today as a big red but the 11010263 is the marking for the replacement bare stock. They we introduced in 1965 as some of the standard size stocks we cracking. These also were used as national match stocks.

My assumption is that all the other marks are likely from an armory or other sources over the past 51 years.

Winchester manufactured their own stocks. H. Sacks &Sons, Inc. was a subcontractor for the original Springfield Armory for M14 stock production. Both Winchester and H. Sacks & Sons , Inc. produced the big red replacement stocks.

I always try to retain all the markings on the stock when I refinish because they are part of that Stocks history - whatever that might be.

M1Army

 

[chief on one]

Yes, I have a Big Red; and where you have a N;;;; I have a V...

 

[CeeJay]

Thanks very much for the info much appreciated!!,I was going to strip all down but after cleaning it up and removing some mildue. The color is actually quite nice, most of my stocks are darker walnut but I think I will leave this one lighter. I will just do a few coats of linseed oil and it should be good to go that way I can keep all the markings intact.

It does have a repair on it just below the selector hole, I can see a brass pin in it as well. I dont think it was a crack but looks almost like a chunk had been broken out. The repair seems very solid tho. All in all not bad for 75 bucks.

I will toss a pick up when its all done

 

[CeeJay]

Okay so here we go, I didn't do too much to finish the stock, No sanding or anything just a cleaning and 8 coats of Boiled Linseed Oil, As compared to the other stocks in the pics, it is much lighter than the rest but that's okay I have enough dark stocks anyway. The pics really don't do it justice I think.

Here is the repair done to the stock, I am not sure what material was used to fill this chip or crack but it seems very hard and secure.

And here is a crack I unfortunately found. As of now I believe it to be a surface crack only. I removed the stock liner and did not see the crack anywhere else so hopefully it stays that way.

And as a side note does anyone know the brand/shade/type of paint the military used to paint the Fibreglass stocks? I have 2 one is much darker with a little bit of gloss but not too bad and the other is much lighter and flat. I prefer the darker one and tried a few paints on a hand guard and they all came out too glossy.

 

[mrmark99]

W-W = Winchester - Western, OM = Olin-Mathieson

1944 the firearms and ammunition operations would be reorganized as the Winchester-Western Division of Olin Industries. Olin Industries and Mathieson Chemical merged in 1954 to form the Olin Mathieson Chemical Corporation.

 

[Clark]

I picked up a Winchester Big Red at the Oaks, PA gun show last week with the exact repair, including the color at the selector cut out, that you do. Makes me think it might be a typical armory repair rather than an individuals efforts ??

 

[hammonje]

Very common crack between the cutout and liner screw. Late friend who served in the 82nd AB stated they often cracked there when jumping with an M14.

 

[CeeJay]

Very common crack between the cutout and liner screw. Late friend who served in the 82nd AB stated they often cracked there when jumping with an M14.

I picked up a Winchester Big Red at the Oaks, PA gun show last week with the exact repair, including the color at the selector cut out, that you do. Makes me think it might be a typical armory repair rather than an individuals efforts ??

That's interesting to hear. I have not heard of that being a weak spot but I guess jumping out of an air plane and having a bit of a hard landing and hitting the rifle in the right spot could eventually crack it, I spose that's just one more reason that they swapped to fiberglass no liner less weak spots