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Hey guys. I am looking to close a deal on a Federal Ordnance M1A/M13. It is an earlier serial #, and has been confirmed that it is all USGI parts. The deal s a trade for a rifle valued at about $700, and some silver bullion. Total value of trade being around the $1300 range. Would this be a fair trade value for an early Fed Ord/USGI M1A?

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There is a sort of rule here about trying to give values on firearms that we can't actually hold and checkout it protest you from us making mistakes and the forum members from making mistakes as some of these guys are nationaly well known collectors ,builders ,gunsmiths and shooters I hope you can understand they have reputations that they have worked hard to establish.personaly my rule on used rifles is what will local pawn shop give for it that is what it is " worth" in dollars then you add any extra what I call I just want it factor dollars to it .The usgi parts are generaly more valuable but sometimes those parts have seen a lot of use and are refurbished and stuck on a rifle an early model rifle could be a gem or it could be a shot out barrel on a reciever that has been abused with hot loads but a good smith who is m14 knowledgable would have to look it over .PS I would keep my silver as there is an inflation coming that is the only way out of the current federal debt situation might not be in my lifetime but it's coming .JMO
 

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On something like this A picture is worth a thousand words.
But this is BETTER, A rifle in hand , to examine is worth the money you want to pay.

Yes everything is USGI; maybe worn out by now ??? who knows.
 

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Please refrain from using the Firing Line as a substitute for each individuals responsibility. Any threads asking for a value will be deleted with this Sticky.

Also if you should decide to answer one of those questions, please refrain from giving a value. Without seeing the rifle in your own hands to review and take apart, you can be doing an injustice to either the buyer or seller by stating a value.


You can research the Sold Classified Listings (SPF) section below here which has over 7,400 listings, or other auction sites across the internet to come up with a general price for an item(s).
 

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Understood. Actually I wasn't looking for an appraisal, just for of opinions on the trade. We actually had the rifle looked over by a smith familiar with these, and his professional opinion on it's value is what I based my offer on, which is tentatively accepted. The guy actually approached me 1st interested in my rifle I had for sale. Ironically I have been in the market for an M1A and as I had suspected the M1A is worth more than my rifle he wanted, so me being an honest guy, stepped up with the offer for trade for my rifle and a little silver (I collect/horde silver bullion). That said, I certainly understand the rule and why it is needed..

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When I had an FFL back in the 80's, they sold new from SOG for $700 plus shipping. I know because I ordered two. They came in plastic stocks.

They are now 3 decade old rifles. It would be nice to know how many rounds went down it - so do you have access to a throat and muzzle erosion gauge? They do make a specific one for the M1A/M14.

Also, the two I owned had issues with the rear sight, as new, and they would not turn in either direction correctly, and it was found there was a receiver issue regarding this.

They also had another tolerance issue and the OP Rod would detach from the bolt sometimes when you pulled back on the charging handle. One of the two I ordered did this out of the box, the other did it after a few times at the range (may around round 250 or so).

I would look it over, meaning a complete disassembly by hand and scan EVERY part very, very well. Also if this is a friend selling it, or local gun shop, ask if you can shoot it before you purchase it.


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Here is a picture of the Fed Ord. I did notice that the select fire cut out on the stock isn't filled in. Didn't they generally fill that slot in on commercial rifles? I assume it is a USGI stock seeing it has that notch cut out?

 

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Sorry for the multiple posts. The two rifles I mentioned in my other posts were early manufacture rifles. I don't remember the serial number range, however the friend of mine that I was in the Army with to whom I sold one of the rifles, still has his so I could make a call and get his serial number, if it comes to it. The time frame I bought these was a few months after we returned from Desert Storm, so I'll say it was September or October 1991.

However, I just remembered one other known issue:

I personally never bought a scope mount for mine, because at the time as I best remember, there were only Springfield Armory scope mounts available to mount a scope. I remember being at the civilian range at Ft Knox and there was a gentelman shooting next to me and a couple of friends that had a FedOrd he was shooting. He stopped shooing it, and came over to us and asked if we had any tools, because his scope mount had become loose. Remembering that a few minutes ago, I know I read something many years later as the internet progressed on a Forum like this one that had a specific section devoted to the FedOrd rifles. I remember reading there was a receiver out of spec issue that caused scope mounts not being able to properly align and the mounted scopes pointed down enough that the scopes could not mechanically adjust up enough to even boresight to paper.

Here is a post about the Op Rod detaching from someone that has a picture and personal experience:
http://m14forum.com/m14/114834-what-know-about-federal-ordnance-m14.html

Here is a post about the scope mount issue I mentioned:
http://m14forum.com/m14/78341-federal-ordnance-receiver.html

Here is the post with a darn good read:
http://m14forum.com/m14/26753-federal-ordnance-m14.html

Here is the post on the rear sight issue:
http://m14forum.com/m14/8666-federal-ordnance-m-14-questions.html

Very respectfully,
Buck
 

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If I were to rank the quality of the various M14 copies, I would rank FedOrd at the bottom of the list. There will be those who own one and will honestly tell you they've had no problems with theirs, but overall, they were the poorest quality of all the copies.
 

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I am in the learning curve as to what is what on these rifles, however, why would you consider the Fed Ord as being the bottom? I have heard mixed reviews on the later serials that had no USGI parts, but also heard that the early ones WITH the USGI parts were really good quality rifles, other than maybe "fit & finish", which would make sense it being built with "battle" parts concerning the finish qualities. But if it has all USGI parts, it is all MilSpec, and IMHO should be pretty good, even over built in some ways. Other than any battle worn, worn out parts..

If I were to rank the quality of the various M14 copies, I would rank FedOrd at the bottom of the list. they were the poorest quality of all the copies.
 

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My first M14 was a Fed Ord, I had it match tuned for NRA shoots, did pretty well with it. The only issue I had with mine was the sight notches being soft and thus hard to keep a zero on it. I don't recall the vintage or parts mix, I assume it was mostly GI as the smith never complained about parts. I agree though with others, its at bottom of the M14 rifles, though I personally would rather have a Fed Ord than any Chinese knockoff though many like them.
 

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The serial # of this one is A50XX. (5K range). That said, what is the "A" for on these?
This may help with the serial numbers:

http://ebrsopmods.proboards.com/thread/2875/federal-ordnance-serial-number-model

http://gunhub.com/m14/19243-federal-ordnance-serial-number-born-parts-database.html

http://gunhub.com/m14/5628-federal-ordnance-m14-good-bad.html


WaM14gunner had the same rear sights issues I did with the two new ones purchased from SOG. Soft receiver cuts for the sight drums, and it stripped the cuts.


Hope this helps you.


Very respectfully,
Buck
 
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