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"Please Open Carriers, Stop Defending My Rights

"I’m not sure what’s going on with the gun rights movement lately. We faced a serious threat after Newtown, but at the grass roots level, America showed that it does not want more gun control. Most major gun control efforts failed miserably. Gun sales have soared. More and more good, decent citizens are getting concealed carry permits. The public is slowly learning that despite the incessant media focus on guns, actual gun crimes have plummeted. A few prominent liberals like Anthony Bourdain have tried to convince other liberals to stop demonizing gun owners. By most measures, we on the pro-2nd Amendment side have won.

But then open carriers go and screw things up."


I think this guy makes a very valid point about how these dudes carry their ARs, AKs, and SKSs at these things, all the picks I've seen is some carrying at the low-ready or with this trigger just outside the trigger well, the training that Uncle Sam gave me taught me that I should only carry that way if I'm looking to fire my weapon.

I'll also stick with my theory that these Open Carry knuckleheads are actually Pro Gun-Controllers. Think about it, everytime they "protest" somewhere, the result is always that business asking people to keep guns out of their stores.
 

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I may be wrong but in our State of WV you can carry open a handgun but not a wise thing to do for the same reason walking around w/ AR15 or any other long arm slung over your shoulder in public is not wise, only brings on unwanted attention and generates negative results for gun owners. Several years ago at range a legally owned machine gun was being fired and owner let sub teen boys fire it and sure enough newspaper got photos and sure did not go over well, "young boys playing with machine guns." Probably was not illegal but does not make for good press. We do not need to feed gun opponents ammunition to use against us.
 

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Read the whole article... the author degenerates into a diatribe basically saying that the people openly carrying don't have any training and goes on to compare the position that they carry in to soldiers conducting patrols. He compares a rifle slung in front of the body to a pistol carried in the hand and waived about. He also places open carriers in a grouping with West Boro Baptist church protesters. And he incorrectly assigns the reasoning behind corporations banning open carry to damaging levels of lost business and not to the actual cause which is political action groups such as moms demand action.

What I find interesting is he also links to YouTube videos of certain personalities, gun store types and firearm instructors, who voice their dissent with open carriers. However when you look into their channels you see that they advertise and endorse their concealed carry classes thru their establishment. So for them to endorse open carry would actually harm their revenues brought in from teaching said concealed carry classes.

Lastly, back to the author, he is blind to the fact that gun control advocates actually would prefer firearms carriers conceal carry. Why? Because of the additional training required for the license/permit, the additional cost of the class, and because not every state is a shall issue state and so there is control of who actually gets a permit.
 

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"But then open carriers go and screw things up."
SERIOUSLY??????.........
I say again, so it's the Christians that read their Bible/preach the Word of God in public that are the reason that religion/Christ/Christmas is being crushed in America?
So it's the conservative group's fault that the IRS is targeting conservative and Patriot groups?
No, it's not because they are doing something specific, they are attacked by the Left just because they exist. It would happen if they did nothing.
Let's get real here. Open carriers aren't screwing up anything, they are just exercising their rights like any other group, and Left wingers, anti-gun phobes, socialists, and lukewarm/incidental gun owners that pick and choose of the 2nd Amendment what they like, will attack our rights anyway, doesn't everyone understand?
Why do people keep posting this stuff?
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Anyone who lumps idiots carrying rifles poorly with the other 99.96% of open carriers deserves not to have their argument taken seriously.

I've been openly carrying for 22 years, and haven't been put on the Internet yet. What am I doing wrong?
 

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Their point in Texas was why can they carry that rifle but not a handgun.

Their acts were enough for Wendy Davis to come out and support them and says she'll sign an open carry bill.

I'm sure she's just been advised that she can take the single issue voters.

You can post all the negative stuff you want, make fun of them (they did look like a bunch of doofs) but their actions did cause a Democrat to (albeit a lie) to come out FOR open carry.


When the law gets passed next session, they won't be carrying openly anymore I hope.


Open carry protest is like the gay pride parade of the gun civil rights movement.


Let's not shove it in people's face but that doesn't mean open carry laws should not be on the books to protect lawful citizens bearing arms.

Texas did make a law that allows you forgiveness if your gun is accidentally exposed.

I believe open carry of a handgun in an approved holster is fine.

Would I open carry to the store or in a Bad part of town ? No. but camping trips and such I would. It's a decision you make on a case by case basis. A person who just makes a blanket statement that open carry is not needed or is dumb does not get it.
 

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In fact the open carry movement was born out of Socialist/Communist/Leftist/Elitist FOOLS continually taking our rights, the gun owners did not start this war. If we serious gun owners would have been left the hell alone by intrusive liberal government there never would've been a movement to begin with.
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The problem is that all of you guys that object to these open carry stunts are simply being played by the anti-gun propagandists. Both anti and so-called pro-gun people are simply being fed hand selected photos, the anti-gun press hand picks the goofiest looking fools because they know that most of you are just shallow chumps that can be manipulated, they use your arrogant narcissism against you, they know that your negative reaction to the "idiots" in the photos will lead you to reject what they are doing just like the anti-gun people will. They understand that the average American is an elitist, narcissistic, fool that will buy anything that makes them feel superior to somebody else.

The truth of the matter is that these people are doing something that is their right to do and those who are simply reacting negatively out of their feelings of superiority are helping divide the pro-gun movement. I think that these stunts are foolish too, but if our gun rights were accepted as normal nobody would even bother posting a news story about these events. And that's the point, and you so-called pro-gun people that say it isn't acceptable are no better than the anti-gunners.
 

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Anyone who lumps idiots carrying rifles poorly with the other 99.96% of open carriers deserves not to have their argument taken seriously.
+1 to MAC702 and also RAMMAC.
In CA when it was still legal, I open carried a few times out of necessity. See, I have a job where I have to be the bad guy and kick tweekers, felons, and thieves out, and they threaten to kill me and some have kept the threats up. I have carried up to $30,000 to the bank. You all against open carry think I might be a target? You think it's a piece of cake to get a CCW permit in California? Think again, it's nearly impossible.
After open carry was banned in CA because of anti-gun zealots, not because people were actually exercising their rights, I had a problem with a guy that was capable of carrying out a real threat and I shared my outrage to TWO San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputies, BOTH told me just to simply open carry my rifle if I felt my life was in danger. Did I? No. But I had it ready for a while to do it just in case. Not everyone open carrying is like the goofy looking nerds that are force fed to you in the media. I was told to do it by the cops, they told me to open carry my rifle in public, remember that all of you that are against it.
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Open carry where legal should always be done.

Those of you who do not like people open carrying are you really willing to be on the side that tells people how they can and cannot exercise their rights?

I suppose if you are then, you don't mind being told you cannot own a rifle with a pistol grip or a magazine that holds more than x rounds. Maybe you don't mind being told you cannot even touch a handgun until the state issues you a license to do so.
 

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I've said it before......Either you believe in the 2A, or you don't, there is NO grey area! The first time you try to justify why you think some are dumb or idiots for open carrying.....you just fell into the TRAP and don't honestly believe in the 2A. YOU become the weak link in the Right to Bear Arms and are a hazard to freedom.
 

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You can apply the same argument that the Dumbo Jimbo Zumbo used for why people don't need little black rifles, to this "Open Carry" issue. The anti-gun crowd see this as low hanging fruit... and maybe even to the point of creating false flag incidents to make all gun owners look like they're fresh off the "People of Walmart" website.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
 

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I've said it before......Either you believe in the 2A, or you don't, there is NO grey area! The first time you try to justify why you think some are dumb or idiots for open carrying.....you just fell into the TRAP and don't honestly believe in the 2A. YOU become the weak link in the Right to Bear Arms and are a hazard to freedom.
One has to also realize that gun owners are a minority in this country and be realistic and practical in where and how we exercise our battle for our rights. It is ridiculous to try to claim that because people don't agree with the tactics these guys use that they are somehow not true 2nd Amendment supporters.

It is stupid for these guys to be carrying rifles onto private property in an attempt to change the law. They don't need to be pressuring the general public they need to pressure law makers, they should be open carrying at their state capitol and on the sidewalks out side their lawmakers homes not in a Starbucks.
 

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It is stupid for these guys to be carrying rifles onto private property in an attempt to change the law
They aren't trying to change any laws, they are trying to demonstrate that the law already exists and that nobody should be able to tell them how or where they can exercise their right.

It's a slippery slope, if you agree that anti-gunners have the right to tell a person that they can't carry a long gun then you wont have any ground to stand on when they say that you can't carry a short gun. Yes, I agree that any private business should be able to set rules within their property but the anti-gunners use this as an excuse to make a NEW law against open carry and the so-called pro-gunners that react to the goofball pictures just sit around silently like lemmings and let it happen.

I think we all agree that freedom means that you not only have the right to act in a way that I agree with but you can also act in a way that I disagree with. And as long as your actions don't interfere with my rights then you are free to carry on, but when your actions lead to a violation of my rights then you need to stop...and that's where we disagree.

A right is a right, it's an absolute, yes in a society we have to make rules that control the actions of others, even rules that limit our rights to some degree, but as long as that right doesn't cause material damage nobody should be able to limit it. So ask yourselves, does open-carrying a rifle cause any physical damage? If the answer is no then nobody has a right to limit the right to do so.

The problem is that so many so-called pro-gun people think that they need to play some mind game and that we need to manipulate the perceptions of others by creating a false image so that anti-gunners will be placated, in other words they think that they can lie to anti-gunners and pretend that open-carry doesn't really mean open-carry. Be honest and show them what open-carry looks like and that it isn't destructive, that it doesn't threaten anybody. Any idiot that wishes somebody would create an incident by taking one of the open-carry weapons away is a fool, that person is no friend of the Second Amendment.

It seems to me that the average American today has bought in to this kind of quasi-intelligentsia where they think that they are smarter than everyone else and that they are being brilliant by lecturing the rest of us on how to coerce the little people. The modern version of the arrogance of the ruling class. I believe in a simpler, more honest society; state your case, present your facts, and let the chips fall where they may.
 

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It is ridiculous to try to claim that because people don't agree with the tactics these guys use that they are somehow not true 2nd Amendment supporters.
No it's.... not.

Let's just say that to equate partial 2A support, is like only supporting it when it's convenient. Or how about when there is a real firefight you only stay if it's safe.
 

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They aren't trying to change any laws, they are trying to demonstrate that the law already exists and that nobody should be able to tell them how or where they can exercise their right.

It's a slippery slope, if you agree that anti-gunners have the right to tell a person that they can't carry a long gun then you wont have any ground to stand on when they say that you can't carry a short gun. Yes, I agree that any private business should be able to set rules within their property but the anti-gunners use this as an excuse to make a NEW law against open carry and the so-called pro-gunners that react to the goofball pictures just sit around silently like lemmings and let it happen.

I think we all agree that freedom means that you not only have the right to act in a way that I agree with but you can also act in a way that I disagree with. And as long as your actions don't interfere with my rights then you are free to carry on, but when your actions lead to a violation of my rights then you need to stop...and that's where we disagree.

A right is a right, it's an absolute, yes in a society we have to make rules that control the actions of others, even rules that limit our rights to some degree, but as long as that right doesn't cause material damage nobody should be able to limit it. So ask yourselves, does open-carrying a rifle cause any physical damage? If the answer is no then nobody has a right to limit the right to do so.

The problem is that so many so-called pro-gun people think that they need to play some mind game and that we need to manipulate the perceptions of others by creating a false image so that anti-gunners will be placated, in other words they think that they can lie to anti-gunners and pretend that open-carry doesn't really mean open-carry. Be honest and show them what open-carry looks like and that it isn't destructive, that it doesn't threaten anybody. Any idiot that wishes somebody would create an incident by taking one of the open-carry weapons away is a fool, that person is no friend of the Second Amendment.

It seems to me that the average American today has bought in to this kind of quasi-intelligentsia where they think that they are smarter than everyone else and that they are being brilliant by lecturing the rest of us on how to coerce the little people. The modern version of the arrogance of the ruling class. I believe in a simpler, more honest society; state your case, present your facts, and let the chips fall where they may.
I stand by my statement, there are more intelligent ways to the same end. Carrying into a private business to make a point is most likely going to be met with a negative reaction and restrictions where there were none before. If the goal is to simply get people use to the sight of weapons then it would be much smarter to carry them up and down the street and onto government property and leave neutral entities out of the mix at the moment.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't be standing up for their rights, nor that they shouldn't open carry. It is just unrealistic in this society, at the moment ,to think that we are going to win over people with some of these displays. We have been winning the war incrementally for a couple of decades now and the momentum is still in our favor, why waste it by performing meaningless stunts when there are better ways to get things done.
 
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