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Took a battlepack out to my families Ranch in New Mexico for some shooting last weekend. Ended up with great results. First time to shoot MEN and not DAG.

The ammo ran flawlessly through my only M1A I own...others will follow.

SAI NM w/Springfield 2nd Gen 4x14 56.

At 400 yards, I was getting 1 1/2 groups. At 650 yards, 2ish inch groups. At 800, (for the heck of it) was able to get steel silhouettes. Admittedly, the wind was very calm. First time that has ever happened while I was shooting in New Mexico. & I was shooting way above my average for some reason. I had my best friend who shoots competition matches in El Paso and he was giving me a few tips.

Oh and for the coolest part of the shoot -
My uncle bought some Tannerite 1 pound exploding targets (same stuff they use on Top Shop). That made the day of shooting a lot more fun! I will try and get some pictures up soon.

Great ammo! I enjoyed shooting it and plan to buy more in the future.

Hook'em.
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bimmer, I would normaly give the bennifit of the doubt on miscomunication. However, he did use the word "inch" to describe the size of his groups.
 

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Yes, I meant "failure to communicate" like maybe he doesn't know how to measure groups, or maybe he said 400yds and meant 40, or maybe like in Cool Hand Luke, right before Paul Newman gets his ass kicked...
 

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I was not trying to post a big fish story...
Don't get us wrong, we're all pleased to hear that you like your new rifle and that it shoots really well.

On the other hand, we're all skeptical, really incredulous, about anybody who claims to shoot well under 1moa with military surplus ammo. The consensus seems to be that most military surplus ammo isn't capable of better than 2-3moa, regardless of the rifle (or rifleman).

Shooting 2-1/2" groups at 400yds is simply unbelievable — i.e. we don't believe you.

So, I think you should re-examine (1) the distance you were shooting, (2) what constitutes a "group" (five rounds is standard), and (3) how you're measuring a "group."

Again, nobody here wants to bust your chops or impeach your marksmanship, but we don't want to read outlandish fish stories, either.
 

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Don't get us wrong, we're all pleased to hear that you like your new rifle and that it shoots really well.

On the other hand, we're all skeptical, really incredulous, about anybody who claims to shoot well under 1moa with military surplus ammo. The consensus seems to be that most military surplus ammo isn't capable of better than 2-3moa, regardless of the rifle (or rifleman).

Shooting 2-1/2" groups at 400yds is simply unbelievable — i.e. we don't believe you.

So, I think you should re-examine (1) the distance you were shooting, (2) what constitutes a "group" (five rounds is standard), and (3) how you're measuring a "group."

Again, nobody here wants to bust your chops or impeach your marksmanship, but we don't want to read outlandish fish stories, either.
I agree with you. I edited the post because I was wrong. After doing all the research about how to measure the shots I was very wrong. I wish I could shoot like I said I did at first! I would be on the next season of Top Shot! hahaDI5

But...I was able to shoot very nice and tight groups with this German MEN. I have heard mixed reviews and was unsure what to expect. I was pleased.

Everyone needs their chops busted every once and awhile. Especially for an over anxious post about their range outing.

I will add that the ammo was very clean on my barrel for surplus ammo. I know that is a factual statement. GI1

Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend.
 

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I edited the post because I was wrong. After doing all the research about how to measure the shots I was very wrong. I wish I could shoot like I said I did at first!
You weren't "stupid," just mis-informed.

And it doesn't help to delete your initial post, because it's still quoted in its entirety by Blacktail.

Now why don't you tell us what REALLY happened?!
 

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How my numbers were off/I was stupid:

I was shooting with my best friend out in New Mexico. He lives in El Paso and is a very accomplished competition shooter. When I wanted to measure the groups for my log book he said "I will do it." He jumped on the 4-wheeler and wrote everything down for me. (knowing he did lots of shooting I trusted his data) I looked at my data book when I got back to Texas.
I was very excited about all my shoots (the range spotting scope was not the best, so I thought they could be true).

I posted the information off of my log book after being excited from my results. Well, after my post and all its comments I called my friend. He had the biggest laugh when I asked about the post and the information he wrote down, and being my oldest and best friend, he was having fun at my expense.

Sooooo that is what happened. I am laughing about it now. (kinda).
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Research, still the best game in town anymore...

As surplus ammo goes, it's hard to beat the German MEN round, it is top notch ammo.
The German military surplus is right up on top in my book or rifle Phinehas.DI5

1, M118LR Lake City from 2003. Top score of 200-13X, on a SR-1 NRA standard 100 yard target, 1-20 round mag only with my NM M1A.
2, German DAG, surplus from 1993, 200-12X.
3, M118SB Lake City from 1963, 200-10X.
4, M852 Lake City from 1988, 200-10X.
5, Radway Green surplus from 1990, 200-10X.
6, M118SB Lake City from 1985, a 199-12X.
7, Australian MF surplus from 1966, 199-10X.
8, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1979, a 199-10X.
9, Radway Green surplus from 1985, 198-12X.​
10, Belgium surplus from 1977, 198-10X.
11, Bosnian surplus from 2003, 198-10X.
12, Radway Green surplus from 1995, 198-8X
13, South African surplus from 1980, 198-6X.
14, Santa Barbra surplus from 1980, 197-14X.
15, Argentine surplus from 1983, 197-8X.
16, German DAG, surplus from 1976, 197-8X.
17, Austria surplus from 1980, 197-6X.
18, Greek surplus from 1980, 197-6X.
19, German MEN 41, surplus from 1969, 197-6X.
20, Singapore surplus from 1986, 196-11X.
21, Israeli surplus from 1974, 196-10X.
22, Australian ADI surplus from 1988, 196-8X.
23, Bosnian M118 surplus from 2003, 196-8X.
24, Yugoslavia surplus from 2002, 196-6X.
25, Malaysian surplus from 1982, 195-6X.
26, Malaysian surplus from 1983, 194-9X.
27, Lithuanian surplus from 2003, 194-6X.
28, Yugoslavia surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
29, Venezuelan surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
30, Denmark, surplus from 1993, 193-2X.
31, Canadian, surplus from 1970, 192-8X.
32, Chilean, surplus from 1976, 191-4X.
33, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1978, 190-4X.
34, Austria surplus from 1978, 190-3X.
35, South African surplus from 1981, 189-1X.
36, Pakistan military surplus from 1979. Score of 188-4X.
37, Indonesian surplus from 1985, 187-1X.
 
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