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Above is true. I for one still think that there will be criminal charges. Against whom I don't know. May be lower level than we would prefer, but someone is going to take a fall for this and in the process will damage the ones above, if not legally, at least their reputations.
I have a hard time believing that Barr and Durham would still be going at this for all this time only to come up with a dud like the fink Lurch Mueller did.
 

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If anyone is curious, I found the draft of an amicus brief after reading an article on lawfareblog.com (Pages 18-25 are their summary):

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...cus-Brief-Protect-Democracy-Crespo-Final.html

Morale of the sad story regarding General Flynn? When the FBI is conducting a counter-intelligence investigation and interviews you about intercepted conversations held with the ambassador of a hostile power that has just attacked our country (via asymmetrical cyber attack/disinformation campaign) - don't mislead or lie to them about the content of those conversations with the hostile power. Period. Full Stop.

Indeed, nothing good will happen from lying to the FBI or the VP about conversations with a hostile foreign power that is actively seeking to internally divide and damage our country politically, and whose larger geostrategic goal is to dismantle US participation in the NATO alliance. Vladimir Putin hates NATO, and he sees an opportunity, but in order for that larger strategic goal to occur, the Russian Intelligence Services/GRU first needs to covertly cripple our domestic governmental functions to the extent we allow them, and in a nebulous manner, concurrently sabotage overall US global leadership in the hope of creating a major rift with our European Allies who form the bulk of the NATO alliance. This strategy is being pursued via broad-based asymmetrical warfare using cyber psych-ops/disinformation warfare/influence campaigns, etc. The Russian GRU (our version of the CIA) is apparently focused on exacerbating the various 'wedge issues' that create divisiveness in our society. That's why the infamous Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg (aka massive Russian troll farm) was focused in 2016 and 2018 on exacerbating issues surrounding race relations/ immigration/ gun control/ abortion/ climate science/ political partisanship, etc. It is anticipated that 2020 will include even more sophisticated attacks, perhaps 'deep-fake' videos of politicians or other individuals to amp up more divisiveness and/or confusion.

Bottomline: Putin is a former intelligence officer, a skilled practitioner of chess, and he is trained and enjoys the sport of jiu jitsu - using your opponent's strength against them. His strategy is to use our strength in 1st Amendment rights and use our online/interconnected technology against us, to try to get Americans to simply lose faith in our election/voting process and the legitimacy of the gov't itself. He apparently believes that will ultimately diminish our global leadership to such an extent that it breaks the NATO alliance. Apologizes for the digression. That's my perspective.
 

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Random Guy, The problem is that we aren't entirely certain what was said during the interview. There is no recording of the interview and we don't even have the original FD-302. At least one of the interviewers felt that Flynn was being honest. Flynn supposedly knew that the FBI has a transcript of his conversation with the Russian ambassador so I have trouble believing that he purposefully lied. He might have been mistaken about what was said in a conversation that occurred weeks before. If you ask me about a telephone conversation I had weeks before, I might well be mistaken about the content. Just sayin'.
 

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[David Horowitz is the author of the forthcoming book Blitz: Trump Will Smash the Left and Win, to be published on June 2 by Humanix Books and available now for pre-order.]

“This was all Obama. This was all Biden. These people were corrupt. The whole thing was corrupt. And we caught them. We caught them.” - Trump.

Perhaps the most troubling - and dangerous - aspect of the current political conversation is the unwillingness of virtually every elected official and every media pundit to confront what “Obamagate” is obviously about, which is treason. Specifically, treason committed by the Obama White House in attempting to block and then overthrow the Trump presidency. Obamagate is about the failed attempt by President Obama and his appointees to use government intelligence agencies to spy on the Trump campaign and White House, to concoct a phony accusation of collusion with Russia against the president and then to obstruct his administration and overthrow him.

Semantic deceptions are the currency of political conflicts designed to take the public’s eye off the ball. So it’s no mystery as that Republicans, whom Democrats regularly slander as racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes and deplorables should be cautious around a word as volatile and subject to misrepresentation as “treason.” It doesn’t help that the last individual charged with treason was Tokyo Rose, a Japanese propagandist during World War II. In the intervening years, the ties of national loyalty have been so eroded, the idea of patriotism so demeaned by the political left, that the charge of treason was not filed against the Rosenbergs, Aldrich Ames, Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning, or many deserving others.

If all parties remain reluctant to name the threat embodied in Obamagate, it’s not only unlikely but also unreasonable to expect justice to be the outcome. Fortunately, at least one political figure is ready to do this. One can assume it was President Trump who provided Rudy Giuliani, with the license to speak frankly. “They wanted to take out the lawfully elected President of the United States,” Giuliani told talk show host John Catsamatidas, “and they wanted to do it by lying, submitting false affidavits, using phony witnesses – in other words, they wanted to do it by illegal means . . . What is overthrowing government by illegal means? It’s a coup; treason."

This aggressive statement by the president’s lawyer is a sure guarantee that a reckoning is coming in the days ahead. But first there are the semantics. Responding to Giuliani’s accusation, law professor Jonathan Turley wrote: “No, James Comey Did Not Commit Treason.” According to Turley: “Giuliani is engaging in the same blood sport of using the criminal code to paint critics as not just criminals, but traitors. Where one can dismiss some of these charges as political hyperbole, Giuliani was sure to preface his remarks as coming from ‘an experienced prosecutor.’”

Technically, but in a very limited way, Turley is right. Treason is defined in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution in these words: “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.”

There’s a reason the Founders designed so restrictive a definition of treason. They were all guilty of it for rebelling against their king. This led to Benjamin Franklin’s famous quip: “We must all hang together or we shall all hang separately.”

But this legal definition of the crime is only one aspect of the issue, and in the end it is the less important one for understanding the significance of what has happened. There is also the common usage of the words “treason” and “traitor,” which speak to the moral dimensions of the crime. It is these meanings that provide a proper guide to the seriousness and scope of what Obama, Biden, Comey, Brennan, Clapper and the others involved actually did.

This is the Merriam Webster definition of treason: “1: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign’s family. 2: the betrayal of a trust: treachery.”

“To overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance” —is a pretty precise definition of what Obamagate is about.

Although early on, the outlines of this conspiracy were clear to dogged investigators like Congressman Devin Nunes, they have remained obscure to anti-Trump partisans. This is due to the protective wall created for the conspirators by Obama appointees at the Department of Justice, unprincipled Democrats on the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees, and a corrupt news media that has redefined its mission to be that of a propaganda squad for the conspiracy itself. Consequently, it has taken nearly four years to recover the documentary evidence that might persuade an honest critic of the Trump administration of the crime the anti-Trump camp has committed.

Two recent actions have served to demolish the plotters’ protective wall and bring the true dimensions of Obamagate to light. The first was Trump’s appointment of Rick Grenell as acting Director of National Intelligence. Until then the transcripts of the impeachment hearings had been closed to the public by the Intel Committee chairman, Adam Schiff. This allowed Schiff to leak testimony damaging to the president and suppress testimony exonerating him. The full testimonies by high-ranking foreign policy officials had remained under Schiff’s lock and key for over a year. Grenell told Schiff that he would unlock the testimonies if Schiff didn’t, which is how they came to light.

What the newly released testimonies showed was that one Obama appointee after another when questioned by Republicans on the committee had said they had no evidence whatsoever that there was any collusion between Trump or the Trump team and the Russians. In other words, from the very beginning of the plot against Trump, the conspirators including President Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and the heads of the intelligence agencies knew that the charge of collusion — of treason — which they had concocted to destroy Trump was fraudulent. Despite this, they went ahead with the $35 million Mueller investigation that tied Trump’s hands in dealing with the Russians and spread endless false rumors about his allegiances, and in the end found no evidence to support the character assassinations the investigation spawned.

The second revelation was the result of an FBI declassification of hitherto hidden documents describing a White House meeting on January 5, 2017 - two weeks before the inauguration of the new president. The meeting was attended by the outgoing president and vice president, the heads of the intelligence agencies, the acting Attorney General and Obama’s outgoing National Security adviser Susan Rice. The subjects of the meeting were the targeting of General Michael Flynn - Trump’s incoming National Security Adviser - and the infamous Steele dossier which the Hillary campaign and the DNC had paid a former British spy to compile with information from the Russian secret police. The dossier was designed to discredit Trump and set up the Russia-collusion narrative. The targeting of Flynn involved unmasking an innocuous conversation with the Russian Ambassador which was then used to smear Flynn and get him fired. Shortly after the meeting the fact that Flynn was under investigation was leaked to the Washington Post — a felony punishable by 10 years in jail. This leak opened a floodgate of public accusations - backed by no evidence - that Trump and everyone close to him were agents of the Russians.

The secret war the Obama White House declared on Trump before he was even elected, was a war on America. Several years prior to the 2016 election, Obama had begun using the intelligence agencies to spy on his Republican opponents. This was a direct attack on the most fundamental institution of our democracy - elections. It was a much more destructive interference in the electoral process than anything attempted by the Russians. The subsequent cynical attempts to frame Trump as a traitor and then to impeach him for concocted offenses is without precedent. Because they were attacks on our democracy itself, Obamagate is the worst political crime committed against our country in its entire history. The culprits involved need to be exposed and prosecuted, so that — in the words of President Trump — this never happens to another American occupant of the White House.
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The whole so called predicate for interviewing Flynn has been dispelled by the DOJ as being improper, and unnecessary. Thus the whole "Flynn lied" thing is irrelevant. He was being set up to get to Trump, not sure why some cant or wont accept this.
It was supposed to be dropped but for the fact that the lying no good a-hole Struck Stroke Smirk asked to keep it going.
Maybe some haven't seen the interview with Comey where he bragged about " we just sent a couple guys over", to the WH to interview Flynn without going thru proper channels and letting Flynn know that a lawyer wouldn't be necessary, he wasn't a target, just a "friendly conversation".
The whole thing was bogus from start to finish. Guess some would rather see Flynn in jail like the fink Judge Sullivan obviously does.
Hopefully the appeals court will toss this mess into the scrape bin where it rightfully belongs!
 

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The problem is that we aren't entirely certain what was said during the interview. There is no recording of the interview and we don't even have the original FD-302. At least one of the interviewers felt that Flynn was being honest. Flynn supposedly knew that the FBI has a transcript of his conversation with the Russian ambassador so I have trouble believing that he purposefully lied. He might have been mistaken about what was said in a conversation that occurred weeks before. If you ask me about a telephone conversation I had weeks before, I might well be mistaken about the content. Just sayin'.
...Well, it is true that the interview is classified. However, the sequence is important too. In my reading of the facts, Flynn knowingly and repeatedly lied to senior White House officials before being interviewed to the FBI counter-intel guys, and in his two guilty pleas he stated as much. Personally I think he lied b/c he knew what he was doing was rather problematic, but I know that others disagree about his behavior and its implications.
 

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A judges job is not to prosecute or hire prosecutors to drag cases out beyond what the initial prosecutors want to do, that being the DOJ is it?
Most legal types seem to feel that the judge is way out of line here and should have done what the DOJ asked and just dropped the case. The judge hates Flynn, its personal. So much for being impartial!
How is this supposed to go forward exactly? The prosecutor no longer wants to prosecute. So this clamhead judge is going to run another case against Flynn by hiring other "political appointees" from the other side to make the case He wants, and invite other "interested parties" to file friend of the court briefings!?
Really!? This is literal insanity! Probably the definition of a kangaroo court!
Whatever Flynn may have done to get himself fired by Trump, really has nothing to do with the trumped up criminal charges that were brought forth by the previous administrations hack leftover agents.
Flynn should see total redemption on this and sue the pants off the creeps that started this whole mess.
 

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Barr Plays It Cool

The AG said that Durham's investigation is unlikely to include Obama and Biden.
Douglas Andrews · May 19, 2020

Those with an abiding respect for Rule of Law may have been discouraged by news yesterday that U.S. Attorney John Durham’s investigation of the investigators of the Russia-collusion hoax is unlikely to end in the cuffing and stuffing of Barack Obama and Joe Biden – despite Obama’s fingerprints being all over the coup crime scene.

Sometimes, though, a few choice words can do more lasting damage than a frog march: “This cannot be, and it will not be, a -for-tat exercise,” said Attorney General William Barr. “We are not going to lower the standards just to achieve a result.”

Let’s think about those two sentences for a moment. Both imply wrongdoing, and both imply an unwillingness by Barr to stoop to the level of those wrongdoers. But neither signals any sort of capitulation. Far from it. Barr, as is his penchant, is playing it cool, refusing to get out over his skis. Instead, he’s allowing a seasoned and highly regarded U.S. attorney to quietly gather the facts and do his job. And if doing his job requires that he first focus a few levels down from Obama and Biden, where bad actors like Peter Strzok and Kevin Clinesmith were operating, then so be it.

“I’m a little surprised by that statement,” said President Donald Trump yesterday. But this, too, is a good thing. If our nation’s attorney general is seen as little more than the president’s toadie, then his credibility will be greatly diminished – and so will be the findings of the investigation he launched. Here, the contrast between Barr, a by-the-book lawyer who first served as attorney general under George H.W. Bush, and Obama’s first attorney general, Eric Holder, couldn’t be starker. “I’m still the president’s wing-man,” said Holder in 2013, “so I’m there with my boy.”

The moment a nation’s attorney general claims to be “there with my boy” the president is the moment a Department of Justice has lost its way.

But there is something on which AG Barr and President Trump agree wholeheartedly, and it should give encouragement to every citizen who respects the law and wants to see justice done in this case. The mainstream media ignored it, of course, but former DOJ attorney Andrew McCarthy captured it in National Review:

What happened to the president in the 2016 election, and throughout the first two years of his administration, was … a grave injustice and it was unprecedented in American history. … We saw two different standards of justice emerge, one that applied to President Trump and his associates, and the other that applied to everybody else. We can’t allow this ever to happen again [emphasis added].

If that last sentence sounds familiar, it’s because President Trump has been saying the exact same thing for months now. And if our mercurial president and his cool-as-the-other-side-of-the-pillow attorney general can agree on only one thing, let it be this.
 

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Random Guy, Let's assume for the moment that Flynn wasn't honest with other WH officials. That doesn't give the FBI and the DOJ the power to set him up in a criminal entrapment scheme and prosecute him. They could have simply given WH officials a heads up and let them handle the matter. This whole incident was a scheme to rapidly neutralize Flynn and perhaps more importantly to try to have him turn on Trump. Threatening his family is a clear indication that they wanted him to play along regardless of the facts. You don't engage in that sort of behavior if you have a good case. Don't fall for the leftist propoganda that this was all above board and was justified. It simply wasn't justified. I don't either favor or disfavor Flynn - I don't know the man - but I do believe his rights were violated and I believe it was part of a much larger scheme to unjustifiably attack the duly elected leader of our country. That sir is corruption at a very high level and no one should be willing to let that stand.
 

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I hear you, but I respectfully submit this is not the full picture of Flynn's behavior that had nothing to do with the FBI or anyone else - it was his inability to come clean about certain conversations and some very swampy activity that ultimately led to his downfall.

Let's assume for the moment that Flynn wasn't honest with other WH officials. That doesn't give the FBI and the DOJ the power to set him up in a criminal entrapment scheme and prosecute him. They could have simply given WH officials a heads up and let them handle the matter.
The WH was given a heads up by the Deputy AG in January 2017, and she was subsequently fired (on edit: over the immigration EO). Others disagree, but I believe Flynn should have declined his nomination as the national security advisor on his own accord, and let someone else be in that position like John Bolton.

Broadly speaking, as you noted, many things remain classified and it’s hard to know exactly what happened in late 2016 and early 2017 - with the exception that we were attacked via asymmetrical cyber means by a hostile power per the consensus of the US intelligence community. Some remain in denial of the Russian GRU sponsored asymmetrical cyber/disinformation attack, but it’s true, and we even publicized the names of the GRU officers who ran a multi-million dollar cyber campaign that employed hundreds of Russian trolls at the Internet Research Agency (IRA), and even ran some bizarre ops here in the US as well, not that we can prosecute them since they are holed up in Russia.

The residual result of that unprecedented foreign attack on our internal political process is still playing out. The Russian leadership is undoubtedly pleased at what has unfolded domestically in the US over the past 3 years, as their goal was apparently to create “internal division and distrust” of US government institutions, the US media, and to create as much “dysfunction” as possible to hamper US leadership at home and abroad. Flynn’s story is but one chapter in this much larger drama....

As for the original corrupt intent, I blame Vladimir Putin for much of our current predicament, rather than domestic partisans who are being played (unwittingly for the most part). Again, I'd rather focus my time on the M1A and hobby-related topics...moving on.
 

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Morale of the sad story regarding General Flynn? When the FBI is conducting a counter-intelligence investigation and interviews you about intercepted conversations held with the ambassador of a hostile power that has just attacked our country (via asymmetrical cyber attack/disinformation campaign) - don't mislead or lie to them about the content of those conversations with the hostile power. Period. Full Stop.
What was the legal justification for fbi to question Flynn? I'll give you a hint. There wasn't any. They had already cleared him of wrongdoing. He plead guilty to making 'false' statements that weren't material to any investigation. Therefore he had no obligation to tell the scummy feds anything much less the truth.

I certainly don't have a problem with an incoming national security advisor talking to foreign powers that are engaged in a combat zone that could endanger US troops. He was let go by the administration, which was the right course of action, and that should have been the end of it.

But you're to busy believing the Russian collusion bs.. Carry on.
 

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The WH was given a heads up by the Deputy AG in January 2017, and she was subsequently fired.
The Deputy AG was fired for something entirely different - she refused to pursue the president's policy to curtail immigration from nations with terrorist ties.

I really don't care if Flynn should have been selected as the National Security Advisor or not. His behavior prior to the nomination was not criminal in nature nor was it deemed to be a tangible security risk (as indicated by an FBI investigation). If he was a documented security risk, his clearance could have been revoked. Instead members of the outgoing admistration with the help of the FBI and the DOJ sought to neutralize him through entrapment. You simply can't condone that behavior. It is clearly a violation of his rights. There is nothing you can say to justify this kind of corruption.
 

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Let's make this simple. The initial counterintel investigation of Flynn had zero foundation. The actual document that began this fiasco had three points.

1. Flynn was "cited as an advisor to the Trump campaign on foreign policy issues."

Anyone here who does not see that this is an overtly political, and extraordinarily illegal formulation is just willfully dishonest. You don't get to investigate your Administration's political opposition just because they are your political opposition. Even if you are the FBI. Every Presidential candidate has someone experienced in "foreign policy issues" acting as an advisor on such. A Lt. General with a war hero record who also served as head of DIA is a pretty good resume.

2. Flynn "has ties to various state-affiliated entities of the Russian Federation, as reported by open source information."

Wow. They guy ran Defense Dept Intel and he has "ties" as described. Like he has similar ties to the UK, Canada, Mexico, China, Germany, Luxembourg probably. Geez, Clinton was Secretary of State. How many ties to "state-affiliated entities of the Russian Federation" does she have? At least as many as Flynn. She did the famous "Russian Reset" comedy routine with the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. That went down so badly it should have been a SNL sketch, but Clinton thought it was a serious ceremony. This point 2 is meaningless. "Open source information." That means the FBI read about it in the newspaper. Such impressive intel collecting technique! With that standard, think of the investigations FBI could be doing on Meghan Markle right now? Or Kim Kardashian?

3. Flynn "traveled to Russia in December 2015."

Man, that looks bad. In retirement, he was hired (for about $45,000) to attend a public event with Russian big wigs- Putin included- and took the gig. It was the same year Bill Clinton spoke to a bunch of Russian state-affiliated companies for more than ten times as much money, $500,000. I am guessing Billy Boy was investigated too, since he was no doubt an advisor to his wife, campaigned with her, had well known ties to Russia, China and a zillion other countries, and just happened to get paid far bigger money from Russians for a speech than Flynn could dream of. How much influence do you suppose he was offering? And what's the latest on the Crossfire Billy investigation? I haven't heard lately.

So, to Random Guy who still insists on posting left wing propaganda from Lawfare, much of which is not even written by lawyers (such as the clowns in the initial piece RG posted near the start of this thread), I guess my question is why do you insist on posting Democrat Party Propaganda on a gun forum? I guess it doesn't matter, but I can't believe you don't know the ilk behind the "Lawfare" org. You might just as well get your info from Adam Schiff, Jim Comey or John Brennan.

Moving forward, on Jan 4, 2017, Crossfire Razor is ordered closed, because a thorough hunt for any negative information on General Flynn has come up with literally ZERO. As in, he is clean as a whistle. But someone- likely to be Comey, Obama, Brennan or someone else in such high position- tells Peter Strzok NOT to close it. So, on Jan 5 Strzok tells the CR team to leave it open, despite a total lack of predication. Hmm, that leaves the political as the only remaining motivation.

Just a few days before, Flynn has made the calls to Kislyak. That's his job. Why that day, December 29th? That is exactly the question that Obama needs to be asked. Why, a month and a half after the election, did Obama suddenly impose sanctions and expel Russian diplomats for something he claims they were doing for months BEFORE the election? What could possibly be achieved by doing that barely three weeks before leaving office? Why didn't he do that in September, October, early November? Oh, because he "knew" Hillary was going to win and the last thing they wanted to talk about was Russian interference, which mattered nothing to them except as they could fabricate such evidence to attach to Trump.

Important to remember exactly what the Russians did. It was horrible. They spent about $100k on Facebook ads. Much of it POST election. Wow, that must have had SO MUCH MORE impact than the tens of millions the two major campaigns spent in the same medium. I mean, when does $100,000 not beat $80,000,000 in effectiveness? Other than the real world, that is. And no, there is no evidence to suggest the Russians stole DNC or Hillary e-mails from the DNC servers. See Crowdstrike CEO's admission, under oath during his House Committee testimony: no evidence any information was "exfiltrated" to Russia. That the Russians hacked the DNC is a lie that has never had a shred of evidence to support it. Crowdstrike alone saw the servers, FBI took Crowdstrike's internally redacted report as gospel. That is not evidence by any definition. Podesta shipped his own e-mails out by falling for a phishing scam like many of us get in our e-mail daily. That's not evidence either. This is the entirety of the foundation for Russian interference. That's all there is. End of story.

Back to Flynn and the phone calls. So, according to the FBI, Flynn answered, when asked if he had told Kislyak NOT to retaliate, "Not really. I don't remember. It wasn't 'don't do anything.'" That's it. This comes directly from the FBI Agent's report on the Flynn interview, and the question was about the expulsions. Don't miss that. The question was about THE EXPULSIONS. As in, NOT THE SANCTIONS. Obama's orders involved two completely separate actions. Sanctions against specific personnel, and expulsions of Russian diplomats in the U.S. Flynn did not address the sanctions, as he was not asked about it, in the specific answer that is the foundation used by Mueller Special Counsel Prosecutor Brandon Van Grack. So what's the big deal? Out of this, they created a story that Flynn had denied discussing the "sanctions" when in fact he was asked about a different element altogether. Next, it is claimed that he told Kislyak not to "retaliate" when in fact he did nothing of the kind. He asked him not to "escalate." A ti t-for-tat is a defined retaliation. We threw out 35 guys, they throw out 35 guys. In contrast, an "escalation" is to do MORE than just the eye for an eye. This is what Flynn asked. Perfectly legit. Perfectly legal. Perfectly diplomatic.

But you see, Flynn did not have the benefit of a transcript of a four week old conversation in front of him. He probably talked to a dozen other foreign dignitaries that same day. No one could remember every detail of a call. Funny thing, we don't know that the two FBI agents had a transcript either. While that certainly existed, what has come out is that "summaries" of the calls were being used. A summary may not include the exact words, and may be written to suggest something not accurate. Even if they had the exact words, and Flynn didn't recall it word for word, where exactly is the lie?

To supplement that, SC Prosecutor Van Grack filed this as part of the court documents supporting Flynn's guilt plea the following statement: “Immediately after his phone call with the [Presidential Transition Team] official, FLYNN called the Russian ambassador and requested that Russia not escalate the situation and only respond to U.S. sanctions in a reciprocal manner.” Which is exactly what the two FBI agents stated that Flynn told them. I ask again, where exactly is the lie?

Well, as I think I posted pages back, both James Comey and Andrew McCabe- the bosses of the two agents that interviewed Flynn- testified, under oath before Congress, that those two agents did NOT believe Flynn had lied. He displayed no body language that suggested he was anything but 100% comfortable and telling the truth as best he could recall it. Despite this, agent Strzok is now on public record as having rewritten the Flynn 302, with cooperation from his paramour FBI attorney Lisa Page. Uh, that's illegal, guys. To this day, the original 302, which should have been drawn up within 5 days by strict FBI requirements, remains a mystery. FBI refused to produce it. Instead, they have only offered the rewritten one. That is all we need to know that they have nothing. Testimony under oath by the top two officials in the FBI, and no original documentation to contradict their testimony. Flynn did not lie.

So why did he enter the plea? That's well documented. Flynn was driven to bankruptcy. He had sold his house. Prosecutor Van Grack had literally threatened to investigate and prosecute Flynn's son and, should the General not agree to the proposed plea deal there and then, he would be formally charged the next day and face untold further millions in legal fees. What Van Grack did NOT tell Flynn is what makes this all so twisted. A deal had already been struck with Flynn's Covington Firm attorneys. They agreed that Flynn's son would be left alone. Neither Van Grack nor Flynn's attorneys informed Flynn of this fact. (Can you say malpractice suit?) Also, Van Grack never gave Flynn and the Covington boys the transcripts of the calls with Kislyak, the summaries, or any other exculpatory information. What Van Grack did was fabricate a big bad monster under the bed, that was going to come out and eat General Flynn, his son and his family's finances if Flynn did not plea then and there. That's it. Flynn had no reason to believe that the false allegation that he lied to the FBI was merely a bluff. He was told they had absolute proof and he knew it was possible he had remembered something incorrectly, and so they would charge him with said "lie." Covington had a duty to tell him that they had yet to be presented with ANY EVIDENCE that this was so. They colluded with Van Grack's bluff. And Flynn felt it was the only way to protect is family. Fall on the grenade.

That's it. He knew he never stated anything he believed was false. But what he was denied was the knowledge that an honest misstatement was not criminal, and that there was nothing material to predicate the interview, making it legally meaningless. He was set up. (See WH meeting of Jan 5 where Obama himself informs Acting AG about the Flynn/Kislyak calls the President had no business knowing about, certainly before the country's chief LEO. This according to Sally Yate's own sworn testimony.) This was Comey, Obama and (perhaps) Biden, who are all present at the critical meeting where not only the calls but the suggestion of the Logan Act is first broached. Strzok has now stopped the Flynn CR file from being closed, and it's on to the staged interview where all efforts were made to entrap Flynn. If you don't know all the deliberate steps that were taken to insure Flynn was unaware he was a target, you need to read more. Oh, not on Lawfare, by the way.

One or two last things. For all the news of the 30-odd people who unmasked Flynn in the 3-4 months before the inauguration, it has become evident that he was never masked in the first place with regard to the Kislyak calls. That is a problem in itself, given by December 29th the FBI knew he was no risk as an agent of any foreign power. That was just days before they formally wrote the document to close the case. But as I hinted before, the timing is most critical. Obama issued the sanctions and punishment exactly at the time he knew Flynn was making contacts with ambassadors and such from nations all over the planet, in his capacity as the incoming NSA. It was a slam dunk that Kislyak and Flynn would have reason to speak upon the imposition of such dramatic penalties. Penalties that could easily have been done many weeks or months before. But they were done just as it became clear they had nothing on Flynn. Something had to be done about that. It is possible, even likely, that Obama used the sanctions and expulsions specifically as a provocative measure to insure that Flynn and Kislyak would be talking. It was known that Kislyaks calls were all monitored. It was known that technically Flynn was still the subject of the Razor corollary to the Crossfire Hurricane matter, so his name need not be masked. And so, giving him time to forget his verbatim conversation was the seed planted at the WH meeting on Jan 5, where Obama himself brings up Flynn, the calls and discusses the Logan Act, plus Comey stating he might withhold info from Flynn in the transition capacity. Comey had merely to wait until the new WH team was getting set up in the first 3 or 4 days, stating on the record that he used that dynamic to bypass all FBI and WH protocols in order to get to Flynn without legal protection.

And lying to VP Pence and Sean Spicer? Note that FBI never interviewed either of those two, because that was also staged. Some "high ranking Obama official" illegally leaks the classified phone calls to reporter David Ignatius. Suddenly it's all public. This is not only part of setting up Flynn for the interview itself, it is to set up the false impression that Flynn lied to Pence and Spicer. Pence has recently said he has second thoughts, knowing now all that was in play. It's the same word game, sanctions vs expulsions, retaliate vs escalate. It took very little for the press to make the case that Flynn had not told the truth, when in fact he was only made to doubt himself when the FBI went and tricked him into thinking he had said something provably, materially false. Now we know that's not true and, only because of Sidney Powell, Flynn himself now knows he was denied the transcripts specifically in order to trick him into believing he had misstated material facts. Can't wait until the mystery transcripts get declassified and we all can see the verbatim words used to entrap Flynn.

So Random Guy, you have nothing. Lawfare Blog is Orwellian Doublespeak. I can give you a 20 year federal prosecutor's articles that rip that Lawfare crap apart piece by piece. I'll post it all if I have to. But for now, I have just taken the facts, from the now declassified documents and court filings and laid it all out in my own words.
 

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I really don't care if Flynn should have been selected as the National Security Advisor or not. His behavior prior to the nomination was not criminal in nature nor was it deemed to be a tangible security risk (as indicated by an FBI investigation). If he was a documented security risk, his clearance could have been revoked.
Well, I think here we just have to agree to disagree. I care about who is in that role, and in the vetting process. Once an American in a highly sensitive national security role starts accepting money to lobby on behalf of a foreign gov't - in a purposely clandestine manner - one can not simply ignore that when applying for a clearance and then try to conceal it from the White House that employs you. It becomes criminal in nature when you purposely fail to disclose it during the transition process and related security paperwork. I've read that Flynn's op-ed on election day 2016 'raised eyebrows' b/c it was so overtly pro-Turkey, and seemed strange that Trump's de facto acting national security advisor would be doing something like this on Election Day (but I guess $530K is a pretty good ROI for an op-ed):

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...lly-turkey-is-in-crisis-and-needs-our-support

...but the full scope of it wasn't known until later, at which point he had already been fired and thus I presume his clearance status was moot at that point.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/421780-turkey-and-michael-flynn-five-things-to-know

To me, the national security advisor can not be tainted like this, and I think the WH counsel figured this out sometime in January 2017 - but it was too late. This was not a case of FBI entrapment - but appears to be a lack of vetting and bad judgment on Flynn's part, including a documented pattern of trying to conceal his interactions (and a source of foreign income), but his subsequent plea deal shielded him from that additional legal jeopardy (but not his two associates, who were convicted in the scheme).

As I said in my initial observations, John Bolton would have been a better choice from the get-go, as he has been around every Republican administration going back to Reagan's and he knows better than to engage in this type of swampy activity on behalf of a foreign gov't. He probably knows better than to try to mislead the FBI too. That's my perspective, and we'll just have to agree to disagree on what it says about General Flynn.

Lucky-13. I occasionally read lawfareblog for its analysis on cyber security and related international cyber issues pertaining to national security topics, which are often well analyzed by former members of the National Security Council and other experts. I happened to read some articles on the recent DoJ opinion as well given these are mostly former federal attorneys. I suspect the attorney's are correct that the motion to dismiss Flynn's case, which lacks any signature(s) by career DoJ attorneys who file these motions - is unprecedented from a DoJ standpoint. I don't consider professional legal analysis of cyber security legislation, international terrorism, and other complex legal issues analyzed on that site to be 'left wing propaganda'. Do some of these attorneys take strong exception to Bob Barr's handling of certain things from a legal theory perspective? Yes, they have concerns.

Anyhow, General Flynn's fate at this point is in federal court (or maybe not), and I'll leave it at that. I see no point in posting more on this subject, it has nothing to do with M14/M1A rifle or my related hobby interests. Peace.
 

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Some folks detest the freedom afforded by a Constitutional Republic. They relish the authoritarianism imposed by extra constitutional agents that harass, imprison and murder those on a mythical other side.
Barr is a neocon OG swamp creature. The notion that he's going to swoop in and Make Things Right is a fanciful one.
 
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