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the good side of being old

is that i was alive and in a position to buy from the CMP soon after it changed from DCM and Orist Michaels became the man in charge. I only wish i had spent more when they were so cheap. I do have 6, and including one of each manufacturer, a fair amount of 3006 ammo in spam cans, a 1903, and a pair of .30 carbines. When Canada made everyone dispose of Garands, i also grabbed a nice selection of bayonets, not all flavors, but i do have a decent uncut one with an original fiberglass scabbard and some both cut and uncut ones from WWII. I love the manufacturer names like American Fork and Hoe...
 

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Heres a all original IHC I bought off a private owner. Wont see one of these come out of CMP anymore
Notice correct letter coded parts




MW just under 1 TW just under 2









 

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OK , now I know what you are speaking of. Those so called problem rifles were never issued. These early rifles did not pass Ordanace testings so were sent back for repairs. There were some problems with heat treatment, gas cylinders ,lock screws,etc. also machining problems
Again, these rifles were never issued so no one can say IHC rifles are problematic. IHC used receivers manufactured by SA and then HRA at very end. Had LMR subcontract barrels which were known for being some of the best most accurate barrels made.
Yes IHC had growing pains but they turned out quality rifles
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This book is a good start - The Essential M1 : A Practical and Historical Guide for Shooters and Collectors by Jim Thompson.

https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Garand-Practical-Historical-Collectors/dp/1510740120/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=the+essential+m1+garagn&qid=1582408542&sr=8-1-fkmr0

Just received my copy, and have only started reading it, but already learned quite a bit.
Excellent Book! I still take it and go over it from time to time. The old M-1, to me, is far more than a weapon, it is a piece of our history, our fathers used the M-1 as we did the M-14/M-16!
USARMY-1
 

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^--- This. Especially at Minn gun shows. I have yet to see one offered that wasn't a complete and total ripoff.
This is precisely why I came here first. I have seen lots of Garands around the MN shows, but I am really not that familiar with what to look for.

Sure, I can tell if a rifle is in good shape -most people can with a flashlight. But this Garand from this guy vs. that grand from that guy? I wouldn't be able to say "this is correct."

But I am willing to learn!
 

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This is precisely why I came here first. I have seen lots of Garands around the MN shows, but I am really not that familiar with what to look for.

Sure, I can tell if a rifle is in good shape -most people can with a flashlight. But this Garand from this guy vs. that grand from that guy? I wouldn't be able to say "this is correct."

But I am willing to learn!
Personally, if this were my first Garand, and you were looking for something to shoot as opposed to putting it in the safe only to take it out every so often to take pictures of it, CMP is the best and safest bet. Don't get caught up with it being "correct" or not; as long it is throws lead downrange should be your only concern. All CMP rifles do that; and if there is any problem, the CMP will work with you to make it good. Very few private sellers will do that.
 

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This is precisely why I came here first. I have seen lots of Garands around the MN shows, but I am really not that familiar with what to look for.

Sure, I can tell if a rifle is in good shape -most people can with a flashlight. But this Garand from this guy vs. that grand from that guy? I wouldn't be able to say "this is correct."

But I am willing to learn!
Hey its only an 11 hr drive to the CMP North Store from the Twin Cities! They will show you what to look for and help you pick out one. I say ROAD TRIP!
 

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Hey its only an 11 hr drive to the CMP North Store from the Twin Cities! They will show you what to look for and help you pick out one. I say ROAD TRIP!
Duce...

You, me, a bunch of cash, a rental and lets come back to MN with a bunch of Garands. USNA
 

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What premium does CMP certified guns carry over an M1 of similar quality and condition?

What would a $1,000 CMP service grade go for without the documentation?

I'm looking at buying my first Garand and I went shooting with my friend who is looking at selling both of his. I broke down both guns and clean and lubricated them before we went to the range. They had very minimal wear and he's never fired them in 10-15 years of owning them. They shot GREAT! We put probably 100 rounds through each and hit steel plates at 175 yards on the first shot of each gun, which quickly became boring with how easy and accurate they were. I really fell in love with both of them and have been trying to research what a fair price would be for them.

M1 Tanker:
-.308 caliber criterion barrel
-6 digit Springfield Armory receiver made in February 1942 from my research
-50-652-8287 SUS (Sauer & Sohn) german bolt
-New looking stalk

M1 Garand:
-30-06 no visible marks on the barrel
-SAI 7.1 million serial number (Lithgow is engraved on the side of the receiver below the wood stalk, and ADI Australia is stamped on the under side of the receiver)
-New looking stalk

7 Million Lithgow Receiver -

I understand this was a commercial grade (non USGI) cast receiver. It's not "original" or "real", and they have been said to have such poor manufacturing and tolerances that they aren't safe to fire, can and have failed; but I have yet to see photos of ANY blown up receiver.

I have also struggled to find the answer to if these terrible/dangerous receivers are the ADI/Lithgow stamped receivers or the "Springfield Armory" (SAI) receivers that are in the 7-million serial number and have Lithgow stamped on the side below the stalk, like my friends.

I read that if the serial number is under 7.1 mil, then it is a 80's receiver and have a better reputation as built rifles, while 7.1 mil's and higher are the newer and built in the mid 2000s.

I already shot these and they functioned perfectly. I understand the Tanker may be more valuable and desirable as a "real" Garand, but it's not CMP certified and I really struggle to determine the value of the 7.1 million SAI Garand that's also in great condition.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
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