FEMA = No RV or Tiny House residence.

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Hobo Hilton

Discussion Starter · Jun 2, 2016

There are several stories circulating about FEMA restrictions on housing. I have a very good friend who is a dealer for Tiny Houses. He recently took back a house that he had sold. No issues with the house or his customers. The issue is with a neighbor who complained to FEMA. So, along with everything a Patriot is dealing with, FEMA is going to force you to build a mansion on your retreat property and have it tied into the grid.......... so they can watch you.

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/03/hud-wants-to-make-living-in-a-tiny-house-or-rv-illegal.html

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Robertsusaf

· #2 · Jun 2, 2016

SO MUCH BS!

The powers to be clearly want complete control over all aspects. You should be able to live in whatever you want. Its getting outta control, the media tells everyone how to think, act, and what to buy and if you go against the grain, the government forces you to comply.

Its getting bad in the USAF as well, I had to write an achievement medal for an airman that does not deserve one. I was in 6 years before i got that medal, and this kid has only been in 2 years and hasn't done anything for it, he hasn't even passed a PT test in the last two testing periods. My supervisor told me I needed to write him one. Its BS, the future is making everyone feel good, and coming up with laws to harass people.

Im gonna go dig a hole and hide in it…. well until a neighbor complains and the cops arrest me. GI1

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HardingM14

· #3 · Jun 2, 2016

Doesn't RV mean Recreational Vehicle? Meaning they are not intended to be lived in long term?

FEMA? Why would this have to do with them? Wouldn't it be local building codes and such? Idk something doesn't sound right.

Your friend in Washington county?

Hobo Hilton

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jun 2, 2016

"Working Together"

HardingM14 said:
Doesn't RV mean Recreational Vehicle? Meaning they are not intended to be lived in long term?

FEMA? Why would this have to do with them? Wouldn't it be local building codes and such? Idk something doesn't sound right.

Your friend in Washington county?

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You bring up some interesting points.

My "home" for many years was a 40' fifthwheel due to traveling and working construction. I had no home base. My insurance company classified my as "Full time RV".

My friend is not in Washington County... Here, the "Portland Metro" is the ruler of everything... This covers at least 3 different counties.

Metro is the regional government for the Oregon portion of the Portland metropolitan area. It is the only directly elected regional government and metropolitan planning organization in the United States.[2] Metro is responsible for managing the Portland region's solid waste system, coordinating the growth of the cities in the region, managing a regional parks and natural areas system, and overseeing the Oregon Zoo, Oregon Convention Center, Portland's Centers for the Arts, and the Portland Expo Center.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_(Oregon_regional_government)

FEMA's mission=

FEMA's mission is to support our citizens and first responders to ensure that as a nation we work together to build, sustain, and improve our capability to prepare for, protect against, respond to, recover from, and mitigate all hazards.

FEMA's definition of "working together" may not be what an American thinks it is.

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ray55classic

· #5 · Jun 2, 2016 (Edited)

Hobo , the way I read this,
it is concerning park model trailers which are like a travel trailer
but with no self contained ability, Like the infamous "FEMA" trailers
Park models have a conventional stove, Std refrigerator & regular toilet
No propane/battery/ freshwater/grey water/black water tanks.
No stand alone or self contained capability
They aren't designed for travel but are basically a pulled once and parked trailer..
Divide and conquer
If you want to live in a tepee, a sod house, a yurt , tiny house or a Mcmansion
it should be none of the feds business, period.

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JMGlasgow

· #6 · Jun 2, 2016

To me, FEMA stands for Farm Equipment Manufacturers Association.

case42so

· #7 · Jun 2, 2016

This article references HUD, Housing and Urban Development. HUD does have involvement in residential building codes and is probably making a power play to gain even more authority. FEMA is the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA has nothing to do with regulatory requirements on the construction or use of Recreational Vehicles.

If what you heard is true, someone probably called their local building department and the story has been enhanced as it has been passed on. Many localities restrict use of permanently placed recreational vehicles as a full time housing. On the other hand you have cities like Seattle that use mimi-homes to house low income families.

There are a lot of people who use FEMA as the scapegoat for every thing while not knowing what FEMA really does. Just like people on the left saying it's George Bushes Fault!
Brian

Mindfield

· #8 · Jun 2, 2016

Its true, they want to force people to not live in RVs for their safety. Its BS. Period, screw the feds

noob14s

· #9 · Jun 3, 2016

All this means is that the cost of "micro houses" will go up because they have to conform to the standards HUD is trying to roll them into.

XXIV Corps

· #10 · Jun 3, 2016

noob14s said:
All this means is that the cost of "micro houses" will go up because they have to conform to the standards HUD is trying to roll them into.

The Multi Family Dwelling scale...

GI3

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HardingM14

· #11 · Jun 6, 2016 (Edited)

Hobo Hilton said:
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My friend is not in Washington County... Here, the "Portland Metro" is the ruler of everything... This covers at least 3 different counties.

Metro is the regional government for the Oregon portion of the Portland metropolitan area. It is the only directly elected regional government and metropolitan planning organization in the United States.[2] Metro is responsible for managing the Portland region's solid waste system, coordinating the growth of the cities in the region, managing a regional parks and natural areas system, and overseeing the Oregon Zoo, Oregon Convention Center, Portland's Centers for the Arts, and the Portland Expo Center.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_(Oregon_regional_government)

Having Grandparents trying prepare their parents land in Washington county for sale. (standard house, divide lots, septic, etc.) I know how painful they can be. That's why I was curious.

I was under the impression that a FEMA trialer was different than a mobile home/double wide? And they purposely didn't make them state of the art housing to discourage long term residency in them?

FEMA is a nice thing to have after a disaster but don't rely on them 100%. People can live in whatever they want as long as I don't have to foot the bill when it collapses or burns down because it wasn't build to code/standard for the given area. Think Haiti?

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Gator 4570

· #12 · Jun 6, 2016

Another case of Federal overreach
Also part of Agenda 21
I'll leave it at that.

Superchud1

· #13 · Jun 6, 2016 (Edited)

I know people will believe what they want but below is some links so you can learn for yourself. This seems to be a Facebook style fact. Links below that will explain what's going on. As a rule I'm against any new regulation, but the story originally quoted in this thread appears to be misleading and fear mongering click bait. And how did FEMA get mixed into this?

http://www.snopes.com/hud-tiny-homes-ban/

The link to the actual regulations.
https://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=HUD-2016-0013-0001

This link better explains the rule changes.
http://tinyhousebuild.com/tiny-houses-afraid-hud-proposal/

An excerpt from the HUD regulation site.
Summary

This rulemaking proposes to revise the exemption for recreational vehicles that are not self-propelled from HUD's Manufactured Housing Procedural and Enforcement Regulations. This proposed rule is based on a recommendation adopted by the Manufactured Housing Consensus Committee (MHCC) which would define a recreational vehicle as one built on a vehicular structure, not certified as a manufactured home, designed only for recreational use and not as a primary residence or for permanent occupancy, and built and certified in accordance with either the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) 1192-15 or American National Standards Institute (ANSI) A119.5-09 consensus standards for recreational vehicles. HUD is adopting the MHCC's recommendation but modifying it to require certification with the updated ANSI standard, A119.5-15, and by including a requirement that units claiming the ANSI A119.5-15 exemption prominently display a notice stating that the unit is designed only for recreational use, and not as a primary residence or permanent dwelling.

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andyh1956

· #14 · Jun 6, 2016

Your bud should have done like I did, I bought my neighbors out & had their [email protected]&% houses moved off!

PhrogRider

· #15 · Jun 6, 2016

Where exactly is the constitutional authority to regulate recreational vehicles? Must be hidden in secret code somewhere in the commerce clause.

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mic52

· #16 · Jun 6, 2016

HardingM14 said:
Having Grandparents trying prepare their parents land in Washington county for sale. (standard house, divide lots, septic, etc.) I know how painful they can be. That's why I was curious.

I was under the impression that a FEMA trialer was different than a mobile home/double wide? And they purposely didn't make them state of the art housing to discourage long term residency in them?

FEMA is a nice thing to have after a disaster but don't rely on them 100%. People can live in whatever they want as long as I don't have to foot the bill when it collapses or burns down because it wasn't build to code/standard for the given area. Think Haiti?

Haiti doesn't come to me mind. New Orleans/Katrina does... 2 birds/1 stone. fema'z "help" and secondarily the opportunity to confiscate the firearms of law abiding citizens. I say, next time NO free Katrina's.

ray55classic

· #17 · Jun 6, 2016

HardingM14 said:
I was under the impression that a FEMA trialer was different than a mobile home/double wide? And they purposely didn't make them state of the art housing to discourage long term residency in them?

FEMA is a nice thing to have after a disaster but don't rely on them 100%. People can live in whatever they want as long as I don't have to foot the bill when it collapses or burns down because it wasn't build to code/standard for the given area. Think Haiti?

The overwhelming majority of mobile homes are lucky to hold together long enough to pay them off. that being said....
The FEMA trailers were built to a price . Period , they're built out of and furnished with the absolute cheapest crap available.
[whitewood frames , beer can thick aluminum, and bargain basement appliances]
Think a BIC lighter with wheels. Use once & throw away, but they beat the heck out of a tent, for people that have had their houses destroyed.
A year after Katrina you could pick them up for less than $2k all day long.

I stand by my belief that housing & building codes are a state , county, or city matter only,
the federal government should have absolutely no say in what you live in. period.

PS Haiti is a luxurious paradise compared to Equatorial Guinea, Chad, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Nigeria, the Ivory Coast, etc etc etc .
Care to ask me how I know?

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HardingM14

· #18 · Jun 6, 2016

PhrogRider said:
Where exactly is the constitutional authority to regulate recreational vehicles? Must be hidden in secret code somewhere in the commerce clause.

Write your reps and tell them to stop accepting federal money for roadways. Tell em to cut the tie with the governments teet. Let me know how they respond. Does the recreational vehicle drive on public roadways? If it does then it falls under the governments regulations federal and state. Possibly local? Can't drive a quad up the interstate but some Locales let you drive around town on golf carts and the likes. Golf cart communities.

If people complained about the governments help imagine if the gov didn't step in and help the people affected by katrina. No free gov tent's and trailers. The yapping would never end.

I don't disagree with housing and building codes being state, county, and local.

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Gearjammer

· #19 · Jun 7, 2016

I was going to say,somebody has the wrong agency in mind, HUD is the only federal agencies y that sets housing standards.

My concern here is.........there are thousands of retirees that spend their retirement touring the country in Campers and travel trailers and have no permanent residence. So uncle sugar is telling them they can't do that anymore? Fwiw, most travel trailers are indeed built with components tested as safe for occupied structures with UL tested appliances etc. As a truckdriver I guess my company has to rent me a motel room, because my sleeper is unacceptable!!!

ray55classic

· #20 · Jun 7, 2016

PhrogRider said:
Where exactly is the constitutional authority to regulate recreational vehicles? Must be hidden in secret code somewhere in the commerce clause.

It's not in the Constitution although similar laws concerning safety equipment ,crash standards, emissions, mileage etc etc etc. ,
are in effect concerning every vehicle you drive & most of them have been for well over 40 years .

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