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This report is apparently a hoax. Please accept my apology for passing bogus information on to the people on this forum.
http://mormonism-unveiled.blogspot.com/2011/12/was-oathkeepers-misled-story-about.html


This alert was posted on the Oathkeeper homepage. Sounds like the FEMA JBT's are trolling for people to take care of the [email protected]@ple who can't (won't) take care of themselves. In WA state a new law is coming into effect next year that requires sale tax be applied by any online sales company that grosses more than $500K. The effect will be twofold. One-a new revenue source for Olympia's [email protected]@ple support machine and two the ability to track who buys what in WA State. Not good.


Oath Keepers Alert: Federal Agents Demand Customer Lists From Mormon Food Storage Facility



Oath Keepers has learned that federal agents recently visited a Later Day Saints (Mormon) Church food storage cannery in Tennessee, demanding customer lists, wanting to know the identity of Americans who are purchasing food storage from the Mormons.

This incident was confirmed by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand's report:



"A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information.



This event points to a new level of federal government encroachment on the basic freedoms of the American people. Likewise, it points to a confused policy within federal agencies. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) recommends that citizens store emergency supplies, including bulk food, in the event of a natural disaster or man-made event (the new politically correct term applied to a terrorist attack). The FEMA guidance is spot-on as it allows individuals and families to be self-sufficient during an emergency situation.



And here in Tennessee, we just learned that Nashville Metro Public Health and the Tennessee Department of Health are conducting "door-to-door assessment of disaster preparedness ... using a tool designed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to go door to door and check to see how disaster ready you are. .. in 30 neighborhoods in Davidson County [TN] that have been randomly selected to be the target of a door to door assessment." I have confirmed that that is a state run effort.

So on the one hand, government agencies both state and federal are urging you to be prepared and even checking up on you to see how prepared you are, and on the other hand, we now have federal agencies that are attempting to gather information on individuals that are following FEMA suggestions. What is the reasoning behind gathering this information? Are American citizens now being "listed" by DHS if they are simply following FEMA guidance and purchasing bulk food and emergency supplies for their families? It appears as so.



This should be a red flag to all Americans. Not unlike the "trip wires" identified in the Oath Keepers list of orders that will not be obeyed, this incident should be considered as further evidence that our federal government is out of control. What business is it of the government if any of us purchase and store bulk food? Answer: It is none of their damn business! Maybe during the next Katrina-type event federal agents will storm your home to take your food stores along with your firearms. We can only theorize as to the motives of the government for this type of "list" being developed, but it goes against the very fabric of what a free people should allow by our government." - Rand Cardwell.

Additional comments by Stewart Rhodes, Founder of Oath Keepers:



As Rand noted, it was fortunate that this particular cannery does not keep records of its customers. And Rand is correct that this is a very serious red flag. There's a very good reason why one of the top ten orders that active duty Oath Keepers will refuse to obey is "We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies." As our Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey goes on to state:



"Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone.



Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people."



If those who carry out such orders to confiscate food are enemies of the people, then that same label also fits anyone in the government compiling lists of Americans who store food. There is no legitimate reason for the Department of Homeland Security to compile such lists. Al Qaida suicide bombers are not known to store powdered milk and buckets of wheat. Nor are they known to store away dehydrated carrots and instant potatoes, or fruit punch mix for the kids. But the Mormons are known to do so, and so are many other Americans who have the common sense and maturity to take personal responsibility for ensuring that their families will have food, come what may.



It is part of Mormon Church religious doctrine to store food for hard times and emergencies, with a recommendation that each family store a year's worth of basic dry goods along with three months worth of store-bought canned and boxed foods. To facilitate that practice, the Mormon Church runs its own food storage canneries selling powdered milk, wheat, flour, rice and beans, sugar, salt, and various other dry goods either in bulk 50 lb bags or in #10 cans for long term food storage (up to 30 years for some items). These Church canneries also often sell food storage items to non-church members, seeing it as both morally right and prudent to help their neighbors store food, whatever their faith. The cannery in Tennessee that was "visited" by federal agents follows that practice of helping the general public become better prepared.

So why do federal agents want to know who is storing away long-term food storage? We suspect it is for the following reasons:



DHS/FEMA wants to know which Americans have food storage so the federal government can at some future point confiscate that food. Just as with lists of gun owners, compiling such lists is the first step toward future confiscation.

DHS wants to identify those Americans who are "switched on" and squared away enough to actually store food for coming hard times (such as during an economic collapse). That population of awake, aware, and prepared Americans poses a "threat" to whatever DHS and its masters have in store for the American people, and as Joseph Stalin so ably demonstrated, one of the easiest ways to subjugate defiant people is to confiscate their food and starve them into submission.
 

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Anybody else having trouble connecting to the oathkeepers.org website? I've been trying it all day and it just doesn't come up.

No 404 or anything.
 

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Site is still down

Error 310 (net::ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS): There were too many redirects.
It could be a bad cookie or cached information in our browsers or a bad router table information out there in the ether-world.
 

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I just cleared the cookies and cache in my browser and I was able to get to the site again.
 

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If it's true.
Agreed...

See My Questions on the other Thread here on the same subject...

If It's True...We Should Be Able Know WHICH Federal Agency It Was, What Was The Purported Justification, etc, etc...
We Should Be Able To Contact Our Representative(s)and Senators And Raise Holy Hell!!!

IF it happened...

TRY looking it up on the Internet...all I could find was blog after blog repeating the Exact Same Story...
NO Specifics, No Details...
NO Date This Allegedly Happened.
No Identification Of The Town Or Location.
No Names Of The 'man' or the 'manager' mentioned.
No Identification of the Agency of the 'Federal Agents'.

Repetition Does Not Equate To Verification.

IF It's True...We have a right to be outraged...

IF It's Not True, I At Least, Will Be Outraged.

CAVman in WYoming
 

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The Obooboo administration knows they cannot enforce their "Socialist Will" on people who have supplies to resist them.

Hence, you do "Fast and Furious" to demonstrate we need more gun controls and the banning of "Military Type Assault Rifles" specifically.


to subjugate a people and keep them from forming an resistance army you need to limit the two things they would need to have.......weapons and beans!!

They also want this "Indefinate Detention" bill in congress. and they are having TSA people at truck scales now....

I'm no conspiracy nut but, too many things all happening at once........mixed with Obama seemingly unconcerned about re-election despite poll numbers lower than snake ****? What does he know that we don't?
 

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Agreed...

See My Questions on the other Thread here on the same subject...

If It's True...We Should Be Able Know WHICH Federal Agency It Was, What Was The Purported Justification, etc, etc...
We Should Be Able To Contact Our Representative(s)and Senators And Raise Holy Hell!!!

IF it happened...

TRY looking it up on the Internet...all I could find was blog after blog repeating the Exact Same Story...
NO Specifics, No Details...
NO Date This Allegedly Happened.
No Identification Of The Town Or Location.
No Names Of The 'man' or the 'manager' mentioned.
No Identification of the Agency of the 'Federal Agents'.

Repetition Does Not Equate To Verification.

IF It's True...We have a right to be outraged...

IF It's Not True, I At Least, Will Be Outraged.

CAVman in WYoming
"This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:"

Rand Cardwell is a real person and an Oath Keeper. Why would he allow his name to be used in an article published on the Oath Keepers website if it were bogus?

How about a little healthy distrust of Obunghole and his minions?
 

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"This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:"

Rand Cardwell is a real person and an Oath Keeper. Why would he allow his name to be used in an article published on the Oath Keepers website if it were bogus?

How about a little healthy distrust of Obunghole and his minions?
I Have MORE THAN a little healthy distrust of both the Far Left AND the Far Right...

It Appears To Me That You Are Just Saying---TRUST Him.

Do You Not Understand That Folks On BOTH Ends Of The Political Spectrum Do In Fact Have Motivations To Lie To Us?

WHY No Details?

Does That Make SENSE To You?

GI3

CAVman in WYoming
 

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What? You mean someone would post something here based on fabrications to talk about the evil government? Say it ain't so. I need to count to cool off.

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This individual spoke with someone at the LDS cannery about the "raid"

Mythbusters - Mormon cannery raid
Let Me Pose This.
How do we Know this "Woman" isn't working for the Feds helping to cover it up ?????GI1GI1GI1
And How do we Know She Really is a Woman for that Matter ?
Sometimes I kill Myself.. Just trying to keep the internet Lies a floatGI1GI1GI1GI1
Just Poking Fun Here
 

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Let Me Pose This.
How do we Know this "Woman" isn't working for the Feds helping to cover it up ?????GI1GI1GI1
And How do we Know She Really is a Woman for that Matter ?
Sometimes I kill Myself.. Just trying to keep the internet Lies a floatGI1GI1GI1GI1
Just Poking Fun Here
Well, maybe some of our Tennesseans on the forum can make some phone calls and put this to rest one way or the other.
 

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Let Me Pose This.
How do we Know this "Woman" isn't working for the Feds helping to cover it up ?????GI1GI1GI1
And How do we Know She Really is a Woman for that Matter ?
Sometimes I kill Myself.. Just trying to keep the internet Lies a floatGI1GI1GI1GI1
Just Poking Fun Here
I know you're just funning here...

GI1

But On OTHER Sites...They're Choosing Up Sides!

Anybody DOUBTING The Story...Is Either:

A Government CoInTel Agent!

Or...IF LDS, ORDERED By The Central Office In Salt Lake City To DENY What Really Happened!

I Kid You Not...

CAVman in WYoming
 

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Yes I was/am being Funny
Personally I am not Buying the Raid Part, There needs to be a Whole lot more Details, that no one seems to have
 

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