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Also, I forgot to mention; One headache makers of M14 stocks is the differences in receiver geometry from receiver makers. Also, if you used the current SAI plastic stocks, you may want to reconsider making a golden mold from an excellent condition GI fiberglass stock or an excellent condition GI walnut stock that has been inspected for stock geometry. And if the buyer is like me, he will want to glass bed the stock which means a pre-routed stock would be ideal.
Different barrelled actions will fit differently in the same stock. Some will line up well or fit, and some might not. I would trial fit it into an M14 that's as close to GI specs as possible. I recommend making your "golden model" an LRB M14 with a GI profile barre, like a Criterion standard contour chrome lined barrel. For now, those should be the most consistent receivers to use as a baseline. They have very smooth surfaces and rounded corners. Other receivers may vary in thickness in receiver legs as well has have sharper corners and heavier machine marks.
These differences are one of the reasons we have to custom fit or glass bed rifles in the first place.
Tony.
Different barrelled actions will fit differently in the same stock. Some will line up well or fit, and some might not. I would trial fit it into an M14 that's as close to GI specs as possible. I recommend making your "golden model" an LRB M14 with a GI profile barre, like a Criterion standard contour chrome lined barrel. For now, those should be the most consistent receivers to use as a baseline. They have very smooth surfaces and rounded corners. Other receivers may vary in thickness in receiver legs as well has have sharper corners and heavier machine marks.
These differences are one of the reasons we have to custom fit or glass bed rifles in the first place.
Tony.
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Thanks for the pics! it looks way better inside than my carbon kevlar stock did before I bedded it. If you're curious, here's the thread from the last person who made carbon kevlar stocks (besides McCann).
http://m14forum.com/m14/44261-aerospace-technology-used-stock.html
You might want to screen that thread to identify any potential hurdles you might overcome.
Hueygunner insisted that the stocks did not need to be bedded, but I still routed mine and bedded it a year ago. If anyone wants to bed your stocks, it can be a bear to work with the carbon fiber. Again, there WILL be differences in receiver geometry. The new Rock-Ola receivers have wider legs (from front to rear) and stock liners are having to be modified to get them to fit.
Other people will want heavier contours, like the heavy McMillan stocks as well as stocks with adjustable combs. Holes pre-drilled for rails and bipods will be a plus.
Also, can you include a pic of the inner forearm area? My stock was one of the CF stocks that Phil observed. Mine is either cracked at the pistol grip, or the stock flexes in that area and the paint chips. Either way, it's still a solid stock and I just shot my best groups with it; 20 rounds in 1.7", 5 rounds at 1.1".
Tony.
http://m14forum.com/m14/44261-aerospace-technology-used-stock.html
You might want to screen that thread to identify any potential hurdles you might overcome.
Hueygunner insisted that the stocks did not need to be bedded, but I still routed mine and bedded it a year ago. If anyone wants to bed your stocks, it can be a bear to work with the carbon fiber. Again, there WILL be differences in receiver geometry. The new Rock-Ola receivers have wider legs (from front to rear) and stock liners are having to be modified to get them to fit.
Other people will want heavier contours, like the heavy McMillan stocks as well as stocks with adjustable combs. Holes pre-drilled for rails and bipods will be a plus.
Also, can you include a pic of the inner forearm area? My stock was one of the CF stocks that Phil observed. Mine is either cracked at the pistol grip, or the stock flexes in that area and the paint chips. Either way, it's still a solid stock and I just shot my best groups with it; 20 rounds in 1.7", 5 rounds at 1.1".
Tony.
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Can you also give us a pic where the front of the receiver meets the beginning of the forearm? One nice option (I can dream, right?) would to have this area built up before bedding so all I have to do is skim bed that area. If you don't know what I'm talking about, it's basically bedding the front of the receiver in the stock channel around the magazine well and operating spring and guide.
Here's a picture of what I'm talking about. Here's also a picture of the bedding areas on a standard non-lugged M14 receiver. These are the areas we would need pre-routed.
Tony.
Here's a picture of what I'm talking about. Here's also a picture of the bedding areas on a standard non-lugged M14 receiver. These are the areas we would need pre-routed.
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Yes. Here's a quote from another thread..
http://m14forum.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=412160
Tony.
http://m14forum.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=412160
I'll try to find some more comparison images. Boyd heavy stocks are even thicker than the Big Reds.Here is a comparison shot of a Big Red Walnut and Std. USGI birch..
Big Red Walnut on top. Std. USGI birch below.
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Pistol grip profile
Std. USGI birch up top. Big Red Walnut below.
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JR
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Please, please produce a pre-routed stock for those of us who want to bed it. Also, if the stock ferrule was already cleared for gas cylinder clearance, like pictured below, that would be great... GI2
And since I don't have time to review all 224 posts before this one; are you going to include pre-embedded nutplates for the front sling swivel for those of us that want to install screws and add a picatinny rail for a bipod?
Tony.
And since I don't have time to review all 224 posts before this one; are you going to include pre-embedded nutplates for the front sling swivel for those of us that want to install screws and add a picatinny rail for a bipod?
Tony.
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