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So, I'm looking at getting a 19.25" barrel from JRA/Bula and I'd really like to see them offer a nitrited version. Then I got to thinking, why not suggest that they make a run of all their barrels with this treatment? Bula makes several parts with this finish so we know they have the capability. Let's start asking the question. Who's with me?

Jeff.....are you listening?ICONWINK
 

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I have to believe that this would be a popular choice if offered. I love my nitrite barrels on my ARs and not to mention the finish on my Glocks. Low maintenance and tough. Looks good too.
I also think (but am not sure) that the process is faster, simpler, and cheaper than chrome lining. I could be wrong. I hope our discussion gets JRAs'/Bula's attention. We'll see.
 

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Hi guys. This is something I've already done and tested to some degree. There are a few things we've learned so far. We are fans of the nitride finish. It has many positive characteristics. There are a few down sides though. First, I have NO IDEA how long it would take to break in a barrel with this finish. It is a very hard finish. The second problem (and my biggest concern) is that when you install the barrel, it is noticeably more difficult to time. The shoulder doesn't want to crush much at all, and brute force is the only solution, which I firmly believe creates fractures in the micro-structure of the barrel. Also, the receiver is now the softer part of the two, so the displacement of material is now suspect. By that I mean what is actually giving? Are the receiver threads pulling out toward the shoulder more and the barrel itself staying more stable dimensionally? These factors are very real and do not exist on an AR style barrel. This is why we haven't already released barrels with this finish. The solution we've found is to "pre-crush" the shoulder (install it on a receiver, just short of fully timed), then nitride the barrel and re-install it. These "feel" right when installing. I just don't know if that makes sense for a retail barrel. It's relying heavily on the receiver having the appropriate thread timing. It also still has the break-in period issue. That could be solved by lapping the barrel I suppose, but that would be cost prohibitive.
The barrels we've nitrided AFTER break-in are the best of both worlds so far. They are increasing muzzle velocity and in theory, you are "freezing" the barrel in time at it's highest performance level. Barrel wear would decrease dramatically. This is a custom job though, and one that the average Joe wouldn't be likely to undertake.
In the end, it's absolutely something we believe is a part of the future of our barrels, we just don't quite know how yet.
 

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Very interesting thread going here. I learn all the time.

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Hi guys. This is something I've already done and tested to some degree. There are a few things we've learned so far. We are fans of the nitride finish. It has many positive characteristics. There are a few down sides though. First, I have NO IDEA how long it would take to break in a barrel with this finish. It is a very hard finish. The second problem (and my biggest concern) is that when you install the barrel, it is noticeably more difficult to time. The shoulder doesn't want to crush much at all, and brute force is the only solution, which I firmly believe creates fractures in the micro-structure of the barrel. Also, the receiver is now the softer part of the two, so the displacement of material is now suspect. By that I mean what is actually giving? Are the receiver threads pulling out toward the shoulder more and the barrel itself staying more stable dimensionally? These factors are very real and do not exist on an AR style barrel. This is why we haven't already released barrels with this finish. The solution we've found is to "pre-crush" the shoulder (install it on a receiver, just short of fully timed), then nitride the barrel and re-install it. These "feel" right when installing. I just don't know if that makes sense for a retail barrel. It's relying heavily on the receiver having the appropriate thread timing. It also still has the break-in period issue. That could be solved by lapping the barrel I suppose, but that would be cost prohibitive.
The barrels we've nitrided AFTER break-in are the best of both worlds so far. They are increasing muzzle velocity and in theory, you are "freezing" the barrel in time at it's highest performance level. Barrel wear would decrease dramatically. This is a custom job though, and one that the average Joe wouldn't be likely to undertake.
In the end, it's absolutely something we believe is a part of the future of our barrels, we just don't quite know how yet.
 

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I think you will find that it makes more sense to nitride the barrel after it has been installed and the chamber cut for proper headspace. However, this is labor intensive and requires that you send in the action or use a new one from JRA.

You also need to consider other parts when nitriding. Applying the treatment to an oprod might make it last longer, but now the receiver is the softer of the two and the groove will wear sooner.

Has anyone nitrided a receiver?
 

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Hey Jeff,
Thanks for making a great barrel already.
I am loving the Bula med weight NM barrels.
I guess I am a little like old Cora with the maxwelhouse coffee commercial of years past. When you have something that works , stick with it.
Keep em coming.
Art
 

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I had my barrel broken in before nitriding and I'm doing the same with one for lShawnl right now. I just broke it in yesterday and after a good cleaning, it's ready for nitriding.

I agree with all the comments Jeff made. That's why I believe a barrel should have the shoulder cut to 15˚ to 10˚beforehand. I would go 20˚ max.

On my T44E4 build, I had the barrel timed at 10˚ when I built it and after pulling it, I lost a couple of degrees and it timed at 8˚ before nitriding. It torqued on just fine when I installed it after nitriding.

It's a tricky process, but I like the end result.

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Has anyone nitrided a receiver?[/QUOTE]

My match rifle built by Jon Wolfe is all nitrided, reciever included. I put 500 rounds on the rifle to break in the barrel before sending it back to him to get the SS barrel nitrided.
 

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I think you will find that it makes more sense to nitride the barrel after it has been installed and the chamber cut for proper headspace. However, this is labor intensive and requires that you send in the action or use a new one from JRA.

You also need to consider other parts when nitriding. Applying the treatment to an oprod might make it last longer, but now the receiver is the softer of the two and the groove will wear sooner.

Has anyone nitrided a receiver?
I beleive that is what Ren is going to have done while at Wolfe's shop.
 
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