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took out my socom 16 w/ EBR stock, Sadlak Spring Guide, Trigger Kit, Sadlak Gas Pistons, airborn mount and Leupold Mark 4 MR/T 2.5-8X36mm Illum. Reticle TMR.

i shout about 200 rds of the British Radway ammo. i was trying to zero in my scope with that ammo. my grouping was about 4 in's groping, but i was on the paper at 100 yards. i was pritty mad about it b/c i know im not a bad shotter. so after shotting off about 200 rds the 1st day i went home and clean my rifle.

my friend told me its the ammo and not me. i thought he was just saying that to make me feel better. so we went out the next day but befor that, we pick up some Black Hills Ammunition .308 Win Match 168 gr Boat - Tail Hollow point and went to the rang.

we set up targets at 100yard agen and took our time shotting. after every shot i clen the bore. so after warming up and knowing that i was hitting paper. i started to shot the Black Hill rounds. WHAT A BIG DIFFERENTS!!!! my first 3 shots was great! the grouping was about a half dollar coin about 1 in's gropping. GI1 i did this about 4 time and it was dead on.

so a long story shot, British Radway Green is a good ammo to play with and is cheep. but if you want to you it for accuracy, i wouldn't. ill only use this ammo to have fun not to hunt with or for any accuracy shotting.

this is my 2 cents if anyone has there input, lets hear it.
 

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I recently took my Socom16 out for some ammo tests, I found RG the best of the surplus I brought, about equal with the new Prvi I also had. It was not as good as my 147grn and 168grn handloads, I didn't really expect it to be, though.

I also have fired (in order of worst to best)

Indian OFV 75,
Monarch steel-case,
Santa Barbara,
Belgian 81 (which I had high hopes for... GI4 )
Radway 94,
Prvi (current production)

None of this was a formal supported target session, most was shot unsupported bench or prone with factory sights, so YMMV.

Not to criticize your shooting method, but 'cleaning the barrel' after every round? I would think that would give you greater variances between rounds than just shooting with a fouled barrel. But I'm not a accuracy shooter... GI2

EDIT: I also just read (and comprehended) your original premise... linked RG. My RG was out of 5-round strippers; I don't know if the linked RG is any different, ballistcally, than non-linked.
 

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so a long story shot, British Radway Green is a good ammo to play with and is cheep. but if you want to you it for accuracy, i wouldn't. ill only use this ammo to have fun not to hunt with or for any accuracy shooting.
this is my 2 cents if anyone has there input, lets hear it.
Well, I have tested out the listing below and I have found the Radway Green is a little better than what you have experience so far in a shorter barrel (100, 220 and 560 yard range). DI5

1, M118LR Lake City from 2003. Top score of 200-13X, on a SR-1 NRA standard 100 yard target, 1-20 round mag only with my NM M1A.
2, German DAG, surplus from 1993, 200-12X.
3, M118SB Lake City from 1963, 200-10X.
4, Radway Green surplus from 1990, 200-10X.
5, M118SB Lake City from 1985, a 199-12X.
6, Australian MF surplus from 1966, 199-10X.
7, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1979, a 199-10X.
8, M852 Lake City from 1985, 198-13X.
9, Radway Green surplus from 1985, 198-12X.
10, Belgium surplus from 1977, 198-10X.
11, Bosnian surplus from 2003, 198-10X.
12, Radway Green surplus from 1995, 198-8X
13, South African surplus from 1980, 198-6X.
14, Santa Barbra surplus from 1980, 197-14X.
15, Argentine surplus from 1983, 197-8X.
16, German DAG, surplus from 1976, 197-8X.
17, Austria surplus from 1980, 197-6X.
18, Greek surplus from 1980, 197-6X.
19, German MEN 41, surplus from 1969, 197-6X.
20, Singapore surplus from 1986, 196-11X.
21, Israeli surplus from 1974, 196-10X.
22, Australian ADI surplus from 1988, 196-8X.
23, Bosnian M118 surplus from 2003, 196-8X.
24, Yugoslavia surplus from 2002, 196-6X.
25, Malaysian surplus from 1982, 195-6X.
26, Malaysian surplus from 1983, 194-9X.
27, Lithuanian surplus from 2003, 194-6X.
28, Yugoslavia surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
29, Venezuelan surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
30, Denmark, surplus from 1993, 193-2X.
31, Canadian, surplus from 1970, 192-8X.
32, Chilean, surplus from 1976, 191-4X.
33, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1978, 190-4X.
34, Austria surplus from 1978, 190-3X.
35, South African surplus from 1981, 189-1X.
36, Pakistan military surplus from 1979. Score of 188-4X.
37, Indonesian surplus from 1985, 187-1X.


Plus I have tested out this military surplus ammunition as well...
 

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EDIT: I also just read (and comprehended) your original premise... linked RG. My RG was out of 5-round strippers; I don't know if the linked RG is any different, ballistcally, than non-linked.
It's a very common misconception that machine gun ammunition is loaded any hotter than rifle ammunition is. All 7.62x51mm is the same, loaded from the same machines, it's just been either linked or put into a cardboard box or onto strippers clips! Now that's a big difference to talk about
. Match grade ammunition is loaded from a different set of spec's.
 

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I assumed it was all M80 equivalent, but I was not certain.
 

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It's a very common misconception that machine gun ammunition is loaded any hotter than rifle ammunition is. All 7.62x51mm is the same, loaded from the same machines, it's just been either linked or put into a cardboard box or onto strippers clips! Now that's a big difference to talk about
. Match grade ammunition is loaded from a different set of spec's.
We have been preaching that on this Forum for Years, but No One seems to be listening, think about it, it would be a Logistical Nightmare for any Country to be loading with different Specs. for Machine Guns, it is simply NOT DONE!LOL1
 

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Well, I have tested out the listing below and I have found the Radway Green is a little better than what you have experience so far in a shorter barrel (100, 220 and 560 yard range). DI5

1, M118LR Lake City from 2003. Top score of 200-13X, on a SR-1 NRA standard 100 yard target, 1-20 round mag only with my NM M1A.
2, German DAG, surplus from 1993, 200-12X.
3, M118SB Lake City from 1963, 200-10X.
4, Radway Green surplus from 1990, 200-10X.
5, M118SB Lake City from 1985, a 199-12X.
6, Australian MF surplus from 1966, 199-10X.
7, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1979, a 199-10X.
8, M852 Lake City from 1985, 198-13X.
9, Radway Green surplus from 1985, 198-12X.
10, Belgium surplus from 1977, 198-10X.
11, Bosnian surplus from 2003, 198-10X.
12, Radway Green surplus from 1995, 198-8X
13, South African surplus from 1980, 198-6X.
14, Santa Barbra surplus from 1980, 197-14X.
15, Argentine surplus from 1983, 197-8X.
16, German DAG, surplus from 1976, 197-8X.
17, Austria surplus from 1980, 197-6X.
18, Greek surplus from 1980, 197-6X.
19, German MEN 41, surplus from 1969, 197-6X.
20, Singapore surplus from 1986, 196-11X.
21, Israeli surplus from 1974, 196-10X.
22, Australian ADI surplus from 1988, 196-8X.
23, Bosnian M118 surplus from 2003, 196-8X.
24, Yugoslavia surplus from 2002, 196-6X.
25, Malaysian surplus from 1982, 195-6X.
26, Malaysian surplus from 1983, 194-9X.
27, Lithuanian surplus from 2003, 194-6X.
28, Yugoslavia surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
29, Venezuelan surplus from 1989, 194-2X.
30, Denmark, surplus from 1993, 193-2X.
31, Canadian, surplus from 1970, 192-8X.
32, Chilean, surplus from 1976, 191-4X.
33, Portuguese m/963 surplus from 1978, 190-4X.
34, Austria surplus from 1978, 190-3X.
35, South African surplus from 1981, 189-1X.
36, Pakistan military surplus from 1979. Score of 188-4X.
37, Indonesian surplus from 1985, 187-1X.


Plus I have tested out this military surplus ammunition as well...
I've read this lots of time and am always perplexed at your luck with the South African surplus. I've shot the same batch in 2 M1A, a 308 Beretta Garand and my HK770 and it groups like buckshot in all of them. My young son who is always ready to help me prevent any of my ammo stocks from going bad(he thinks it goes bad if you don't shoot it up!) won't even use it because of the poor grouping. It was in battle packs and looks brand new. I would be most interested in any plausible explanations. Oh yeah, we shoot perfectly acceptable groups with same rifles and Win white box, santa barbara, and new PMC ball.
 

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Did you ever test that ZV ammo? I recently lucked into a large quantity of it for 15 cents a round. I know it's corrosive, but nothing my Fals and a good cleaning wont handle.

I have seen some darn good groups with South African ammo shot ouf of a Sar-48, and did some fine shooting at 500 yards with FNM myself. Shot a 5 shot group with RG out of an L1A1 that ran about an inch or a little smaller. I know one group proves nothing, but this was just after I cleaned it for weeks and weeks to get the copper out of it, before that it did about 6 inches at 100 yards.
 

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I've read this lots of time and am always perplexed at your luck with the South African surplus. I've shot the same batch in 2 M1A, a 308 Beretta Garand and my HK770 and it groups like buckshot in all of them. My young son who is always ready to help me prevent any of my ammo stocks from going bad(he thinks it goes bad if you don't shoot it up!) won't even use it because of the poor grouping. It was in battle packs and looks brand new. I would be most interested in any plausible explanations. Oh yeah, we shoot perfectly acceptable groups with same rifles and Win white box, santa barbara, and new PMC ball.
Different Rifles(Barrels) have their Likes and Dislikes for certain Mil Surp Ammo's,for Example neither one of my Match Rifles (1in10s) like SA Ammo and scatters it like Yours, but my 1in12 Standard Rifle loves it and both of my Match Rifles love Santa Barbara, I shot a Clean in a Regional Match with SB at 200yds Sitting several Years ago, and for some Members Here SB ranks Low on their Totem Pole!GI3
 

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I've read this lots of time and am always perplexed at your luck with the South African surplus. I've shot the same batch in 2 M1A, a 308 Beretta Garand and my HK770 and it groups like buckshot in all of them.
big bear,

It took many trips out to the rifle range with my NM and 8-10 battlepacks of South African military surplus ammunition to get that score. For the last nine years I travel to the rifle range and test the surplus ammunition two-three times a month. And I have gotten some real bad scores with some M80 ammunition, but some days it's good. You can read the hundreds of postings on my My New Mexico Range Report
right here. DI5
 

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Did you ever test that ZV ammo? I recently lucked into a large quantity of it for 15 cents a round. I know it's corrosive, but nothing my Fals and a good cleaning wont handle.
I tried Sellier & Bellot military surplus ammunition years ago, yes very corrosive. But for me (NM M1A) it didn't do that well. I keep corrosive ammunition at arm length away from my rifles. Good luck with the Czechoslovakia ammunition hagar the horrible.DI5

Czechoslovakia, '69, [ ZV ], Berdan, zero crimp with black primer sealant.
 

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Here are Examples of what I am talking about when it comes to different Rifles with the same Ammo,these Targets were shot by me as 100yds, 10 Rounds Rapid Prone using the same Lot of SA ammo, with a Magazine Change,2 and 8, with the same two Magazines!
Top Target: Armscorp Match Rifle, Krieger Heavy 1in10!


Bottom Target: Fulton Receiver Standard Rifle,TRW 1in12 Barrel, all TRW Parts!

My Match Rifles are Match Conditioned to the Hilt and are better than MOA Rifles with the Right Ammo,I also have a Target from the same Day with my other Match Rifle which I can't find at the Moment!ICONWINK
 

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Greetings,

Though it seems many are having good luck with RG, it seems to turn my rifles into shotguns. Really is the worst surplus I've every used. Three different M14s BTW.

Regards, Jim
 

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Trung Si,

I was just wondering why there is 11 holes in the bottom targetGI2? I'm pretty sure I haven't shot next to you, or I'd claim it!

Gotta blame somebody for that 9!

Andy
 
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