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I was sittin' here thinkin to myself (sometimes that can be dangerous) about the real deal that went down over in Mogandishu (?) with the SF sniper that carried that M14 ...

I wonder "exactly" where that weapon is locted to this very day. Is it even intact? Did we even "ever" recover it? Is it hangin' on someones wall over there as part of their trophy? Is some numb nuts over there packin' it around with him?

I believe both warriors received the nations highest posthumously and I am not even sure as to whether the US even recovered all the bodies of our men after they were disgraced through the streets.

From the actual documentary I understand that these brave men went down swinging and not only do I wonder to myself whether or not we "ever" recovered their bodies but did we also manage to acquire the weapons they carried and especially that M14 which I doubt we did and its probably hangin' on the wall of some war lord over there.

During my tour of duty on a Southeast Asia all expenses paid vacation back in the fabulous '60s we did some pretty low down things to each other and we collected souveniers so to speak as well which I guess the old saying "Alls fair in love and war" would pertain to in so much as one of "them" having this weapon hangin' on "his" wall too.

Any thoughts ..... ???

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Most likely it was picked up as a war souveigneer and is hanging on some higher ups wall after being passed through many hands for either favors or special treatment. As for the recovery of US bodies lost, I believe we did recover all of them, but really don't know for sure. Also I think you'll find that when the crash site was totally overrun, anything that was of any use was taken before we got back in there.

One not too publicised known fact was that there were four Navy Seals involved in the rescue attempts that participated in the run to freedom along side US Rangers who were left behind by the Pakistanis. I heard that there were also a couple of AirForce forward controllers there also.

Both Gordon and Shughart, received the MOH posthumously. It is hard to fathom that they insisted on going in to try to keep the crash site from being overrun, knowing full well that most likely they would'nt be coming out alive. I know that as long as I am alive, they will never be forgotten :!:
 

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No doubts here either regarding Gordon & Shurgart .....

"All Gave Some" ... "Some Gave All" :!:

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Roger that Bill...Clinton has to be the lowest piece of dung that there is... or at least right up there with Hanoi Jane :evil: How they sleep at night is beyond me.....
 

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The Clintons have a lot of people hoodwinked. I just dont understand how he can get away with everything hes done. And that scank Hillary, is just as bad, if not worse. Sorry about the unrelated rant, :evil:
 

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Below is the Citation. Semper-Fi! Hawk

MSG Gary Ivan Gordon

Master Sergeant Gordon, United States Army, distinguished himself by actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while serving as Sniper Team Leader, United States Army Special Operations Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia.

Master Sergeant Gordon's sniper team provided precision fires from the lead helicopter during an assault and at two helicopter crash sites, while subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade fires. When Master Sergeant Gordon learned that ground forces were not immediately available to secure the second crash site, he and another sniper unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site.

After his third request to be inserted, Master Sergeant Gordon received permission to perform his volunteer mission. When debris and enemy ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Master Sergeant Gordon was inserted one hundred meters south of the crash site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon and his fellow sniper, while under intense small arms fire from the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and shacks to reach the critically injured crew members. Master Sergeant Gordon immediately pulled the pilot and the other crew members from the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow sniper in the most vulnerable position.

Master Sergeant Gordon used his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of attackers until he depleted his ammunition. Master Sergeant Gordon then went back to the wreckage, recovering some of the crew's weapons and ammunition. Despite the fact that he was critically low on ammunition, he provided some of it to the dazed pilot and then radioed for help.

Master Sergeant Gordon continued to travel the perimeter, protecting the downed crew. After his team member was fatally wounded and his own rifle ammunition exhausted, Master Sergeant Gordon returned to the wreckage, recovering a rifle with the last five rounds of ammunition and gave it to the pilot with the words, "good luck." Then, armed only with his pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon continued to fight until he was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life.

Master Sergeant Gordon's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great credit upon, his unit and the United States Army.
 

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Below is the MOH Citation. Semper-Fi! Hawk

SERGEANT FIRST CLASS
RANDALL D. SHUGHART


Sergeant First Class Shughart, United States Army, distinguished himself by actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while serving as a Sniper Team Member, United States Army Special Operations Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia.

Sergeant First Class Shughart provided precision sniper fires from the lead helicopter during an assault on a building and at two helicopter crash sites, while subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade fires. While providing critical suppressive fires at the second crash site, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader learned that ground forces were not immediately available to secure the site. Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site.

After their third request to be inserted, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader received permission to perform this volunteer mission. When debris and enemy ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader were inserted one hundred meters south of the crash site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader, while under intense small arms fire from the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and shacks to reach the critically injured crew members.

Sergeant First Class Shughart pulled the pilot and the other crew members from the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow sniper in the most vulnerable position. Sergeant First Class Shughart used his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of attackers while traveling the perimeter, protecting the downed crew. Sergeant First Class Shughart continued his protective fire until he depleted his ammunition and was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life. Sergeant First Class Shughart's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great credit upon him, his unit and the United States Army.
 

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I wonder if that WarLord knows he is in really big trouble with the BATF for posessing of an unregistered machinegun?

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Now I like that Ox .....

I wonder if that WarLord knows he is in really big trouble with the BATF for posessing of an unregistered machinegun?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Oxmix said:
I wonder if that WarLord knows he is in really big trouble with the BATF for posessing of an unregistered machinegun?

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Now if we could only convince the ATF to send all their agents to Somalia to find it! :roll:
 

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Thanks for the headsup on the citation readings Hawk ...

One thing that kinda irks me about this whole situation is that some upper echilon REMF sittin' back in a safety zone somewhere made these heros ask three times before giving them the green light.

Of course I could be wrong or missing something as to the "whys and wherefores" of this but then I can only relate to what we did in combat over in Nam and we would'nt have left our comrades with their a$$es hangin' in the breeze that long and we certainly would'nt have waited for some high mucky-muck back in the rear to make the decision for us.

I can definately relate to the frustrations those two heros had to deal with and they certainly are to be commended for their ultimate sacrifice.

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I think you'll find that there were several factors that dictated the final outcome of the loss of both Gary Gordon and Randy Shughart. There was a delay in radio communications as it had to be relayed back to command. This alone would have cost so much valuable time. Then with their request being denied twice, between the time they first arrived in the area of the crash site and the time they were inserted a hundred meters away, by the time they got to the crash site and set up their 2 man perimeter, at least an hour must have passed. That valuable time may have resulted in a dust off if they had been able to go in upon arrival. But we will never know.
 
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