Bayonet mount

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Milo Maker

Discussion Starter · Apr 3, 2004

"It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble any semiautomatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 or the following: (i) a folding or telescoping stock. (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. (iii) a bayonet mount. (iv) a flash suppressor or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and (v) a grenade launcher" Guys, this sounds to me like a bayonet lug, no matter if the ears are ground off, or if it has a spot weld on it, may be a no no if its a post-ban rifle. It may be safer to keep that one without the lug on the rifle and wait a while longer before you install the one with the lug.

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DK2000

· #2 · Apr 3, 2004

:?:

tazaroo

· #3 · Apr 4, 2004

No lug allowed on a post ban rifle. Not sure what you mean :?:

BKinzey

· #4 · Apr 4, 2004

Not sure of your point either :?

warbird

· #5 · Apr 5, 2004

Milo Maker said:
"It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble any semiautomatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 or the following: (i) a folding or telescoping stock. (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. (iii) a bayonet mount. (iv) a flash suppressor or a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and (v) a grenade launcher" Guys, this sounds to me like a bayonet lug, no matter if the ears are ground off, or if it has a spot weld on it, may be a no no if its a post-ban rifle. It may be safer to keep that one without the lug on the rifle and wait a while longer before you install the one with the lug.

I had to read this twice to make sure I understood it.

For 1 thing, if the "ears" are cut off it's no longer a bayonet lug because it won't hold a bayonet as originally intended. It's simply a stud after being modified.

Now for the 2nd thing, "welding" a bead on the lug disables the lug because a bayonet can not be installed as intended originally.

If BATF gives approval for doing this, why question it, if the benefit of appearance is given to us?

It seems that some are questioning just who's side you're on.

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Spikenfritz

· #6 · Apr 5, 2004

Hey Milo, Warbird.

Ooooh boy.

Gotta agree with Warbird on his first point, with regard to the "faux" bayo lugs being ATF-legal. I don't think anyone on this forum (at least those in their right mind) would do anything to run afoul of any firearm law, rule or reg, no matter how stupid some of them are (the laws, folks, not members of the forum :wink: ).

As to Warbird's second point (the one in red), to quote Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"

Stepping down from soap box now...

Spike

PS: Hey guys, it's a moot point for me--see attached signature.

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Milo Maker

Discussion Starter · #7 · Apr 5, 2004

Hey fellas, I thank most, if not all of us are on the same side here. But I'm on the cautious side also. My point is, seems that some are building post-ban rifles and sticking flash-supressors on them that have bayonet lugs. These FEDS can come see us you know. They have before![/b]

BKinzey

· #8 · Apr 5, 2004

Ok, You were just adding a word of caution 8) Possibly some are thinking since there isn't a pistol grip they can leave the bayonet mount on the Flash suppressor not knowing the bayonet mount and Flash Supressor are counted as seperate items even though they are one part.

:wink: :wink:

warbird

· #9 · Apr 5, 2004

That makes sense.
Everyone "should" know that you can't put a bayonet lug on a postban but, if they didn't, maybe they do now. :wink:

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switchblade45

· #10 · Apr 6, 2004

OOh Yeah, I would NEVER DO THAT :wink: :wink: As I have said elsewhere, If a tactical light is mounted on that lug, it is no longer a 'bayonet lug' by legal definition. It is a light mount. As long as the light is with the rifle, it is, and will always, be a light mount from then on. Legal issue solved. Works for me. Anyone else wnats to dispute it, the business of a rifle is still the business end :mrgreen:

fubar

· #11 · Apr 6, 2004

this is another one of those don't tell issues. if you've built a rifle that is currently not meeting the AWB law don't tell nobody and don't take it to the range to show it off. and please don't post pics of it.

warbirds method works. and switchblade45's idea sounds defensible too.

Spikenfritz

· #12 · Apr 7, 2004

Hey guys.

I checked in on this post this morning and was hoping someone else would chime in, but nobody has, so I'm climbing back on the soap box...

ANYTHING is defensible, provided that you have oodles of cash, a lot of time on your hands, and the O.J. Simpson "Dream Team" defending you (hell, it worked for him...).

Now if you DON'T have any of the things listed above, but DO have a steady job, house, kids, marriage, etc. that you don't want to potentially lose through the course of a long and drawn-out legal proceeding that you may or may not win, why tempt fate?

A police inventory of gear relating to your car wreck that happened going to/coming from a range--and a cop with a lotta time on his hands--is all it takes to begin a downward spiral into personal misery. All of this stemming from personal interpretation revolving around a little lump-o-metal dangling from a $2,000-plus toy.

A "light mount?" Fine. But that "light mount" better not be able to hold a mean, nasty bayonet. It's then as much a felony as one of those "God's-Honest-Pre-'81 auto-sears" sittin' in yer AR-15 that you just bought from a P.O. Box listed in Shotgun News.

Folks, we're all big boys [and girls] here. If you want to break the law, fine. It's a free country, and your prerogative to do so. But I do call into question any posting on this board--or on any other, for that matter--that would espouse breaking any sort of law, no matter how many little Winky-Smiley-Faces are attached to said posts.

Now we have 159 days, 2 hours and 37 minutes until the AW Ban expires (as per www.awbansunset.com ). After that, I'll go and buy a nice NM-reamed flash hider, with bayo lug attached. But until that time, my piece is gonna have that stupid little flat spot under the front sight.

Stepping down off soap box...

Spike

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huntsman

· #13 · Apr 7, 2004

The average cop has no interest in the AWB, its a federal law just like any other federal law and holds little if any interest to the locals (City, County or State) I will say that this amount of interest probably varies by region, but it's still a federal law and not something the average street cop is inclined to mess with- unless they have some special interest in you and are looking for something. For what it's worth, where I live the cops are all gun owners and hunters and consider the AWB to be the silliness that it is.

I dont plan on changing my post ban rifle if it remains illegal to do so, but I'm buying a flash suppressor with the lug just to have in case things change and I decide that I want to.

sailor45

· #14 · Apr 7, 2004

Spikenfritz said:
(as per www.awbansunet.com).

Spike

You may have somewhat better luck with www.awbansunset.com

Spikenfritz

· #15 · Apr 7, 2004

Thanks, Sailor. Post revised accordingly.

I know my scenario was an exaggeration (trust me, I also have a whole slew of cop buddies who feel the AW Ban is a bunch of... ahem... "hooey" as well). And yeah, I have yet to hear of a prosecution of anybody who has decided to do a pre-ban build on a post-ban platform.

I guess the point I was trying to make was the sheer fact of needlessly putting yourself in a scenario where there can be negative repercussions...

Spike

Hawk

· #16 · Apr 8, 2004

I think yawl will find that the word "intent" is a large consideration as to what happens. A profiled or welded bayo lug on a flash suppressor is legal as it modifies the bayo lug in order to render it useless, therefore it's no longer a bayolug just a "nicnac". Now if the lug was only slightly modified in order to give the appearence of having been profiled and still allows a bayonet to be attacked, then here is where the word "intent" comes into play. I have seen just a short while ago where some weapos were confiscated by the police during a local drug bust. They had a photo on the front page of the local paper with the police chief holding up a post ban, semi, SAR-1 (AK) with thumbhole stock and no bayolug, calling it an assault rifle. The other two weapons were bb or pellet guns. All were deemed illegal as due to the "intent" or purpose of using them in the course of their drug dealing.

Hawk

· #17 · Apr 8, 2004

Spikenfritz said:
PS: Hey guys, it's a moot point for me--see attached signature.

Just a reminder and a request to all.....signature pics can be no larger than 250 pixels in width. Please fixem. Thanks, the R.O.

Spikenfritz

· #18 · Apr 8, 2004

I hear ya, Hawk (on both "intent" #-o and the signature).

On the bright side, I will FINALLY be able to dirty-up my SuperMatch this weekend for the first time, albeit at an indoor range. Like a driving a Lamborghini 'round a parking lot... Waiting on my paperwork to go through for the outdoor range I've applied to recently...

I'll give a range report if anyone wants one, but it'll be more about my rekindled love affair with my .45 than anything else... :wink:

Spike

huntsman

· #19 · Apr 9, 2004

Im more concerned with actually installing the regular flash suppressor/with bayo lug than with any legalities. (not that I will disregard same) It hasnt arrived yet but I'm going to be pessimistic and guess that it wont match the finish on my rifle. More than this, you know- anytime you mess with something it always causes problems. Nonetheless I have bought it to have as much to have just in case as with any intent to install.

Already have the bayonet, yes....I admit it....it also somehow stowed away in my duffle bag when I ETS'ed. Whoever put it there should be ashamed!

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