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I have my parts kit, but much more goes into this receiver choice than I anticipated, as in purchasing a receiver flats and contact some one knowledgeable on bending and Tig welding or buy a welded up receiver then contact some one to complete the internals inside...I'm lost...Oh I already know it's cheaper to buy a new PTR or Cetme. I have that, I want an Ol school clone....any help is much appreciated.. thanks in advance..
 

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Ahhhh...errrrr.... hummmmm. the HK 91 receiver is quite complex requiring a Jig, welding gear, measuring equipment, prints, and flats made to specifications. Its not a fold and weld deal...thats the Grease gun. Greek or Pork-and- cheese flats are the only ones I know of that are good...although I've heard the Turkish meet specs...but thats hear say.
 

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Ahhhh...errrrr.... hummmmm. the HK 91 receiver is quite complex requiring a Jig, welding gear, measuring equipment, prints, and flats made to specifications. Its not a fold and weld deal...thats the Grease gun. Greek or Pork-and- cheese flats are the only ones I know of that are good...although I've heard the Turkish meet specs...but thats hear say.
Howard these are the "flats" he's referring to . No they're not flat that's just the terminology,
and your correct that such a "flat" would be hard to recreate those at home

View attachment 72519 View attachment 72520

View attachment 72521 a completed receiver

View attachment 72522 a bending die kit to bend the "flats" into their final shape

I've built FALs , but I've never built a 91 although I have looked into "building" a receiver,
I'd have to do a lot more research before I'd attempt it , welding it up would be the least of my worries. that's easy .
Getting the "flat" bent in the proper way [the 1st time] to function correctly is what I'd be worried about.
All those dies look like a PITA
 

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Ray...I helped ( reminds me of the old fried chicken commercial in the 60's, "And I Helped") on 1 build...yes flats like pictured, the pressure stampings must be spot on as the Jig weld will be impossible when things are shifted and mis- aligned. In addition the Trunion placement and weld is critical. I have built a few FALs myself... tricky sometimes to HS and Time..... but way easer then this HK 91 project. If i was into this deal I would send it to a specialist ...by the time you pay smith charges and good parts you can buy a good used HK91...2K or so. Like restoring old cars... 30K into a car worth 20k.
 

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I am acquiring the tools to bend my own flat and build a hk rifle. They are cheaper to build. Mags are cheap.

Look around online there are plenty of guys with tutorials on how to bend the flat. I found a flat at a gunshow that I bought for 30 bucks. It's going to be my learning flat. I am going to try to do it without a flat bending jig.

Believe me if I could bend a flat and build an affordable m1a/m14 I would do that in a heart beat. Can't so I will try a hk parts kit.
 

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I will lead with the caveat that I never put my CETMEs together, lost interest in them and sold the parts kits. There are two folded receivers sitting on the shelf though, and a MP5 flat waiting for me to get to it. That said..... its not rocket science. A TIG welder is not required. If you aren't a complete hack with a MIG, it will work. There isn't that much welding to do anyways. With the exception of the barrel trunnion, most isn't really structural/critical. Most critical welds are on the cocking tube, but thats just so you dont burn through and end up spending forever trying to get the slag out of the inside. Heat sinks are your friend there!! Seen them turned from copper and aluminum rod, and even seen heavy copper pipe put in there and work well.

Critical dimensions on bending the flat are the height between the rails and top of the receiver. There are guys who have bolted a piece of pipe down, clamping their flat to the bench with the pipe in the middle, and "bench bent" it with their hands and screwdrivers. Not the most precise way, and IIRC they usually tweaked the receivers after to get them to work.... but the guns ran. You can do it with basically no effort too, if you want to get real creative as the owner of another forum did. (Mike928, has a thread about it on the MilitaryFirearms forum) Cut a "window" out of what would be the top portion of the receiver, like a 1/2in wide slot, leaving an inch or so on either end that would get formed around a rod. (20mm was the rod diameter IIRC, or a close standard equivalent... the dimension matters to some extent) That window was later "filled" with a channel that was welded on, basically creating a flat top receiver.


Really Im talking out my butt though GI1 since I got bored with mine before I finished them, but the gist is don't get scared or feel like its an insurmountable task. LOTS of guys have gotten them running without fancy tooling, though there are some tricks to making them run happy. Things like setting the height relationship between the lower and receiver, cocking tube gap, clip and pin on the trigger pack, etc.

Theres a member who joined here not long ago, he is THE MAN with these, at least IMO. I suppose I'll "out him" though he may have tired of the platform by now GI1 Holescreek. If you google "Holescreek CETME" you'll find pics, videos, and tutorial posts on forums all over the internet. Last build I followed of his was a gas operated CETME in .243 COOL! The info is out there.
 

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I built up an old G3 kit I picked up in a trade years ago. I had it on one of those aluminum receivers, but it never worked quite right, and lock-up was an issue. I now have it on a receiver made by Brethren Armament. I wanted no part of bending and welding up a flat - I have a Mig but no Tig, so it was a no brainer for me......

P.S. Oh yeah - gun runs great now.
 

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Update my son ordered a welded up receiver from Brethren Arm the other day$200.00 plus $25.00 still cheaper than anyplace else we could find, I think it is a PTR brand, we are waiting for it to arrive then go from there, he already has his HK parts kit from HKpartsnet ..Nice green stock F&R the bolt is a 1969 era bolt looks good, Bolt carrier is very good shape trigger group looks very clean almost unused, the cocking tube looks like its been in 10 + wars, well you get what you get, we will be choosing a barrel probably RCM 16" match with thread for MB, everything else is subject to change, reading and looking for more info right now...anyway thanks for the advice and comments..
 

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I was planning on doing a H&K 91 build some time back,"built my rear lugged M1a. Instead" I purchased a stainless fluted barrel, from PTR. I think it was 18" I will have to dig it out of the closet...if you need a barrel let me know.. I will sell it for a good price.. I'm me if your interested I can send you pics.

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Update my son ordered a welded up receiver from Brethren Arm the other day$200.00 plus $25.00 still cheaper than anyplace else we could find, I think it is a PTR brand, we are waiting for it to arrive then go from there, he already has his HK parts kit from HKpartsnet ..Nice green stock F&R the bolt is a 1969 era bolt looks good, Bolt carrier is very good shape trigger group looks very clean almost unused, the cocking tube looks like its been in 10 + wars, well you get what you get, we will be choosing a barrel probably RCM 16" match with thread for MB, everything else is subject to change, reading and looking for more info right now...anyway thanks for the advice and comments..
Military Firearms forum or the Weaponsguild. Havent payed attention to the Guild in forever, some shenanigans there, but all the tutorial info you could possibly need WAS there at one time.
 
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