Another swipe at the 2nd Amendment

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kmcintosh78

Discussion Starter · Jul 8, 2011

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/whi...e-new-gun-safety-measures-in-the-near-future/

Yeah, Obama won't come after guns huh?ROOL1

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TheTinMan

· #2 · Jul 8, 2011 (Edited)

I am convinced that the Obama administration knew they couldn't get most of their policies enacted through legislation from the very start, or at least very early on. It is obvious that they have been working for the past two years to use regulations to accomplish what they could not do legislatively. This story confirms my belief, at least regarding gun control.

We all need to do everything we can to make sure Obama is a one-term President. We're already royally screwed, but if he is given 8 years to populate the Federal bureaucracy with "like minded" individuals it would be a total disaster for our country.

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Daves762

· #3 · Jul 8, 2011

In the progressive agenda that's called a "nudge".

Its not a ban, its not a law, it's a sliver of wood whittled off the tree trunk, one little shaving at a time.

One nudge at a time, no one notices or speaks out.

Next thing you know the tree looks like a beaver has been chewing on it. Its weak, and falls over under it's own weight, everyone wonders why it happened.

research--Karl & Piven, and you will find "nudge" it's a progressive thing.

What do you bet the "silent majority" does nothing........................?

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rageagainst1984

· #4 · Jul 8, 2011

I hardly think it will be a TOTAL DISASTER that's quite the over exaggeration. Strengthen background checks isn't bad and at this point it is pointless to speculate what else President Obama will do. Eight years is a long time for any party.

Everyone has an agenda republican, democrat, green party or independent neither do great good or evil for our country. No two people agree on anything, do your part and be active, opinions do nothing on forums. Vote, peaceful rally, write an article or start a movement or wait it out and rant later GI3

RAMMAC

· #5 · Jul 8, 2011

With that lackadaisical attitude that is exemplified by all big city dwellers from Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York City, Chicago, etc. this battle with anti-gunners will be eventually be lost. The big cities are where social policy is shaped; that's where the money and influence is centered. And most big city dwellers are automatons that are too brain dead to be able to imagine any scenario that hasn't actually happened to them. These people have the attitude that somebody else will take care of the problem, the police, the fire department, the doctors, the politicians, the teachers, anybody but them. So they see no need to own a gun, those are only used by cops or criminals.

My bet is that Obama's new gun enforcement procedures will include stricter rules about screening people for mental health issues. And if I'm right then those of us who are veterans and have been diagnosed with anxiety or PTSD are probably going to have to worry about our right to own firearms.

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TheTinMan

· #6 · Jul 8, 2011

Each of us is entitled to our opinions. As I've said before, some of you all will disagree with me most of the time and all of you will disagree with me at some point or another.

IMHO "total disaster" may not be a strong enough description of the end result of 8 years of Obama. Our economy is more severely damaged than most people realize and our very culture is in jeopardy from where I'm sitting.

rageagainst1984 said:
Everyone has an agenda republican, democrat, green party or independent neither do great good or evil for our country.

I have to respectfully disagree. Political movements certainly can do great evil to a country. Nazi Germany? Communist North Korea? Russia under the Czars or Stalin? Those are extreme examples, but the whole "affordable housing" agenda has produced disastrous results for millions of Americans.

Our founding fathers achieved something wonderful when they rebelled against Great Britain and ultimately framed our Constitution. The United States is far from perfect, but I believe that it has been a force for good throughout the world despite our mistakes.

[/descend from soapbox]

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ATX762

· #7 · Jul 9, 2011

I've been an NRA member all my life.

I have also heard, all my life, or since I was old enough to remember (which was in the late-1970's), that our gun rights are about to be taken away.

Actually, with the exception of the 86 machine gun law (which was stupid and signed by Reagan) gun rights across the country have gotten stronger--much stronger. I can carry concealed in over 40 states. The AWB passed, and then...it went away.

There are exceptions, the liberal states like NY, CA, MA, IL, etc--but that is the will of the majority of voters in those states. I think that's stupid, but it is what it is. Overall, it seems to me that the rest of America, gun rights have gotten stronger.

Just in the past 5 years, the Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd amendment is an individual right, and gunbans in Chicago and DC were overturned.

I just don't see the erosion people are talking about. Am I watchful? Yes. But I am not that worried, right now. The Dems are terrified of this issue. There are reasons not to lke Obama, but I don't see gun control being one of them--not in this political climate, anyway.

If someone has evidence to the contrary, I'd be interested to hear it. Perhaps I will think about it when I drive across the country next week, legally carrying my .38 concealed in my boot holster the entire way. Until I hit NY state, that is...

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buchkshot

· #8 · Jul 9, 2011

I agree with RAMMAC. Worst case, all military data bases will be accessed with a NICS check, as well as, the new Obamacare medical data bases, social security, etc - after all its govt. information. They're going to know how old you are and it wouldn't be beyond these types to place a limit on firearms acquisition once you reach a certain age. From the private sector, you're going to see prohibitions in connection with gated community and high-rise housing (if not already in place). Not to mention, assisted living and retirement communities (again, if not already in place). GI3 For the most part, we're a bunch of independent-minded, aging white males (no slight intended for those not within the confines of the previously described group) who own guns. (This is a govt profileGI1, not mine). Any govt. in the world would fear such a group. I agree with the "nudge" tactics as "they" have been employing it for the last forty years.

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LemmyCaution

· #9 · Jul 9, 2011

How did I get this bump on my head?

Oh. Yeah.

The sky is falling.

Bummer.

RAMMAC

· #10 · Jul 9, 2011

Wow, how shocking, a counter comment based on information and reasoning...as opposed to the childish falling sky insults that some would use.

ATX762 said:
I've been an NRA member all my life.

I have also heard, all my life, or since I was old enough to remember (which was in the late-1970's), that our gun rights are about to be taken away.

Actually, with the exception of the 86 machine gun law (which was stupid and signed by Reagan) gun rights across the country have gotten stronger--much stronger. I can carry concealed in over 40 states. The AWB passed, and then...it went away.

There are exceptions, the liberal states like NY, CA, MA, IL, etc--but that is the will of the majority of voters in those states. I think that's stupid, but it is what it is. Overall, it seems to me that the rest of America, gun rights have gotten stronger.

Just in the past 5 years, the Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd amendment is an individual right, and gunbans in Chicago and DC were overturned.

I just don't see the erosion people are talking about. Am I watchful? Yes. But I am not that worried, right now. The Dems are terrified of this issue. There are reasons not to lke Obama, but I don't see gun control being one of them--not in this political climate, anyway.

If someone has evidence to the contrary, I'd be interested to hear it. Perhaps I will think about it when I drive across the country next week, legally carrying my .38 concealed in my boot holster the entire way. Until I hit NY state, that is...

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Swamp Rat

· #11 · Jul 9, 2011

Obama doesn't need congress. He'll EO it. Regarding not restricting firearms "in this political climate" this man child happily presides over 16.2 percent of America unemployed, a falling dollar, soaring debt/deficit, 3 wars, rising food prices, and a more dangerous world than before he took office. So I highly doubt that he considers gun control political suicide.

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osokusmc

· #12 · Jul 9, 2011

It's the cone theory as coined by a guy I used to work with. They stuff a road cone up your ass quite a ways, then when they pull it out a little ways, you think they are working to help you. That's the nra.

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TheTurtle

· #13 · Jul 9, 2011

I think it'd be best to just forget all the gun control crap and adopt an "idiot control" policy. Only problem is, we would have trouble finding people to run our beautiful country.

kmcintosh78

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jul 9, 2011

LemmyCaution said:
How did I get this bump on my head?

Oh. Yeah.

The sky is falling.

Bummer.

How could you get a bump on your head when it is buried in the sand?

LemmyCaution

· #15 · Jul 9, 2011

Maybe it would be intelligent to wait until the President's proposal is articulated in some minimal degree of detail, before commencing with the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments.

I'm seeing a whole lot of reaction to... what, exactly?

This is just another opportunity to vent a lot of hysterical blather over a president who, contrary to the republican rhetoric about marxist, socialist islamo-fascism, stands well to the right of Richard M Nixon on pretty much every conceivable policy he's articulated or action he's taken since he won the democratic nomination.

My guess would be that Obama is just pandering to the clueless who still believe that they constitute his 'base,' in an effort to get someone, anyone to vote for him in 2012. Like pretty much every other issue, it won't require him to take any other action beyond pretty words.

In the meantime, the administration will be devoting all of its resources to furthering the interests of Goldman-Sachs, JP Morgan-Chase and BoA. I predict that the only real threat Obama will pose to gun rights is when Goldman wants to start a speculative bubble around Freedom Group. He'll feign a new AWB to pump up prices then, once Goldman has established its short position, he'll announce a new stimulus whereby he's going to reopen the Springfield Armory and produce free black rifles for every resident of the US, legal or otherwise, thereby tearing the bottom out of the market.

That was a joke. Don't try to respond as if it weren't.

As such, despite the ostensibly gun rights related title of the thread, this whole mess probably belongs in the Politics section.

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TheTinMan

· #16 · Jul 9, 2011

LemmyCaution said:
This is just another opportunity to vent a lot of hysterical blather over a president who, contrary to the republican rhetoric about marxist, socialist islamo-fascism, stands well to the right of Richard M Nixon on pretty much every conceivable policy he's articulated or action he's taken since he won the democratic nomination.

I am not sure how to respond to this statement.

$800+ BILLION of "stimulus" spending, "quantitative easing" numbers 1 & 2 to explode our money supply and devalue the dollar, Federal government ownership of two of the big three automakers after screwing bondholders and shareholders in favor of the UAW, passage of "financial reform" that imposes new regulatory burdens on the entire financial industry except for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac which were in the middle of the housing bubble maelstrom, forcing healthy banks to take TARP money even when they didn't want it and then refusing to let those same banks repay their TARP money when the banks wanted to, allowing/encouraging his Attorney General to ignore flagrant voter intimidation cases while aggressively pursuing legal action against states that want to enforce Federal immigration laws... and those are just the policies that pop into my head before my second cup of coffee.

I don't know enough about the Nixon administration to be able to argue point by point how it might be more liberal than the Obama administration, but I am reasonably certain that our definitions of "right" and "left" are completely incongruous.

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Swamp Rat

· #17 · Jul 9, 2011

Him telling gun control advocates that he is working under the radar for gun control is articulate enough for me, and I wager, for many others. I don't place any trust in this man child whatsoever. You should not either.

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kmcintosh78

Discussion Starter · #18 · Jul 9, 2011

LemmyCaution said:
Maybe it would be intelligent to wait until the President's proposal is articulated in some minimal degree of detail, before commencing with the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments.

I'm seeing a whole lot of reaction to... what, exactly?

This is just another opportunity to vent a lot of hysterical blather over a president who, contrary to the republican rhetoric about marxist, socialist islamo-fascism, stands well to the right of Richard M Nixon on pretty much every conceivable policy he's articulated or action he's taken since he won the democratic nomination.

My guess would be that Obama is just pandering to the clueless who still believe that they constitute his 'base,' in an effort to get someone, anyone to vote for him in 2012. Like pretty much every other issue, it won't require him to take any other action beyond pretty words.

In the meantime, the administration will be devoting all of its resources to furthering the interests of Goldman-Sachs, JP Morgan-Chase and BoA. I predict that the only real threat Obama will pose to gun rights is when Goldman wants to start a speculative bubble around Freedom Group. He'll feign a new AWB to pump up prices then, once Goldman has established its short position, he'll announce a new stimulus whereby he's going to reopen the Springfield Armory and produce free black rifles for every resident of the US, legal or otherwise, thereby tearing the bottom out of the market.

That was a joke. Don't try to respond as if it weren't.

As such, despite the ostensibly gun rights related title of the thread, this whole mess probably belongs in the Politics section.

It is obvious that you hold Obama in regards.

Facts are that Obama has stated that he and his Admin are working under the radar for gun control.
Fact is when the Govt wants something, they usually don't just run head long into it, it starts slow and continues as such to avoid mass confrontation.
Fact is Obama and the Dem party have a history of being anti-gun and anti-gun rights.

A slow erosion is still an erosion.
As yet another law and/or rule is added, a right is stripped away.
As RAMMAC stated, it appears that the target in sight may be the gun rights for returning military members and veterans. I think Big Sis Napolitano advised DHS that those listed should be watched by LE Agencies.

But, go ahead and stick your head back in the sand and leave this to those that see the truth for what it is.

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Swamp Rat

· #19 · Jul 9, 2011

And of course, there is the bungled gun runner ops by the ATF into Mayhico, and as we learned this week, Honduras.

LemmyCaution

· #20 · Jul 9, 2011

kmcintosh78 said:
It is obvious that you hold Obama in regards.

Facts are that Obama has stated that he and his Admin are working under the radar for gun control.
Fact is when the Govt wants something, they usually don't just run head long into it, it starts slow and continues as such to avoid mass confrontation.
Fact is Obama and the Dem party have a history of being anti-gun and anti-gun rights.

A slow erosion is still an erosion.

As yet another law and/or rule is added, a right is stripped away.
As RAMMAC stated, it appears that the target in sight may be the gun rights for returning military members and veterans. I think Big Sis Napolitano advised DHS that those listed should be watched by LE Agencies.

But, go ahead and stick your head back in the sand and leave this to those that see the truth for what it is.

1: I hold the office of the presidency with proper respect, regardless of who occupies it. In truth, I despise Obama and pretty much everything he stands for.

2: Given the vagueness of the administration's mouthpiece's pronouncement, I expect that its purpose was either meant as a dog whistle to the 'base' or to the sort of people who are immediately going to go into apoplexy over the mere mention of 'gun control' in order to distract from some unrelated issue that somebody isn't going to like, but will be announced to no fanfare at 5 o'clock on a Sunday, while everyone is still wetting themselves over the gun control decoy.

3: As regards the speculation that this is all euphemism for the administration finding cause or opportunity to take away the gun rights of veterans- I see nothing in the wording of the '68 GCA that would allow such a thing based on a medical diagnosis of PTSD. The relevant standard here is 'adjudicated mentally defective.' If you can come up with some plausible scenario whereby the executive, by order, as opposed to congress by legislation, can force the judiciary to adjudicate PTSD as a mental defect, I'm all ears.

4: I'm a little tired of you telling me whether and how I can participate in threads in this forum or otherwise what to go and do. You are probably used the ordering people around in the real world under the force of badge and gun. I'm well aware that you're just carrying your command posture over into your off duty life, but this is the Internet. You're not a cop here. Please stop acting like it.

5: It's a subtle point, but you're misusing the 'head in the sand' metaphor in its application to me on this issue. Maybe you should do a little reading on the metaphor before you next attempt to use it.

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