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This is what happens when libtards get elected. I doubt this goes very far but it sure is a good example of what we have been talking about. Sadly there may be a few members that probably think this is all good.
On the surface this may seem to have nothing to do with gun rights, but a close reading of this Marxist claptrap wish list, if ever enacted would put at risk the lives of everyone in the country and those of us who choose to own firearms will be sorely tested in many ways.
I shudder to think....
 

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I have been reading closely the things a few here have been writing on this forum and it is clear to me they are here for reasons other than firearms interest. You really have to be an active reader to see these people hiding behind the screen. They thinly vail their words to hide their true intent.

I won't call them out but I suspect they know about whom I speak.

oh, and yes we are in a world of hurt, soon very soon.

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This WILL NOT go forward IF the Republicans maintain their control of the Senate. If they don't, I'll be headed to the mountains, literally. My wife's family owns a little under 500 acres in SE KY. The property has one road in or out. It has natural gas, coal and timber and tillable land. My wife's relatives are more distrusting of the federal government than I am.
 

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IMO, the overwhelming majority of dim voters have no clue what they voted for. Bombarded by subterfuge from the LSM and the Deep State for the last half decade, all they really know is they hate Trump. They were voting against Trump, not for Biden.
Biden has a history of being a rampant racist. It was and is a masterful con.
 

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I have said before, apparently most voters if we believe the numbers, were not able to separate Trump the person, from Trump the president and only could see what we were told by a bazillion people, that Trump was all negative and no positive and unworthy of the office.
They were able to set aside his accomplishments as President as if they never happened and therefore of no consequence. They believed all the negative stories, but not the positive because those were mostly swept under the rug by the left.
 

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This WILL NOT go forward IF the Republicans maintain their control of the Senate. If they don't, I'll be headed to the mountains, literally. My wife's family owns a little under 500 acres in SE KY. The property has one road in or out. It has natural gas, coal and timber and tillable land. My wife's relatives are more distrusting of the federal government than I am.
The Senate is gone the dems are going to continue cheating hard in the run off races. More time to throw the Republican votes in the trash. Sorry i am defeatist but the writing is on the wall now.
 

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"Today several of President Trump’s lawyers, including Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, held a press conference in which they alleged that they have convincing if not conclusive evidence that the presidential election was rigged, and that in addition to garden variety voter fraud, hundreds of thousands of votes were added to Joe Biden’s totals through electronic manipulation. This is the familiar issue that involves Dominion and SmartMatic software. Here is the press conference; it begins around an hour into the video."
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"It is hard to understand what motive lawyers like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood might have to make explosive claims that they cannot prove, which would be career-destroying."
Do Trump's Lawyers Know What They Are Doing?
 

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I have been reading closely the things a few here have been writing on this forum and it is clear to me they are here for reasons other than firearms interest. You really have to be an active reader to see these people hiding behind the screen. They thinly vail their words to hide their true intent.

I won't call them out but I suspect they know about whom I speak.

oh, and yes we are in a world of hurt, soon very soon.

REN
10-4 on that. We see plenty of infiltrating socialist/commie sympathizers on Calguns as well stating they are pro-gun, but anti GOP and NRA and trying to encourage the masses to support the DNC and Biden.
 

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This WILL NOT go forward IF the Republicans maintain their control of the Senate. If they don't, I'll be headed to the mountains, literally. My wife's family owns a little under 500 acres in SE KY. The property has one road in or out. It has natural gas, coal and timber and tillable land. My wife's relatives are more distrusting of the federal government than I am.
Something no one is broaching.....If the Dems don't win the entire government, we may well see who is willing to use firearms against the public. They have already given us a preview of what they will do to protect us if it happens....nothing.
 

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Let's face it , the Communists said they could never take the USA by military force , but only from within . They have accomplished this by taking over most of the so called news media & turned them into propaganda machines & bombarded the masses with hate for Trump & anyone who happened to support him . It's not really about Trump , but what he represents & that would be us , they want to take our voice & our freedom from us and replace it with a tyrannical government , communist rule .The Second Amendment will be under attack like we have never seen in our lifetime , you can bet on that ,if we lose the Senate & Trump loses , yes he has not lost yet !

Yes I still have faith , faith in SCOTUS , I don't think they are too friendly to what the Commies want to do with the Court , so we will see , because this will come down to the Courts in many ways .
 

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I dunno, but I might have wasted 20 minutes of my time reading this "manifesto" and then copy and pasting parts that actually make sense out of this BLM "call to action". I happen to agree with these things:
➢Ending civil asset forfeiture;
➢ Abolishing mandatory minimum sentencing laws;
➢ Abolishing the “three strikes” law
➢ Banning pretextual stops and “consent” searches;
➢ Categorically eliminating misdemeanor and “pay only” probation;
■ Removing police, School Resource Officers (SROs), ICE, and other surveillance equipment and practices from schools.
■ “Baby bonds” programs, including a preference for communities that were specifically targeted by redlining;

I may not agree with the entirety of the message, but certain points do merit further review.
 

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I skimmed it. It looks like feel good baloney. Stuff like...

"New, accessible methods oÿ processinĀ 911 calls that reduce unnecessary contact between law enÿorcement and community members; "

So, call 911, and maybe cops will be there, or maybe they won't. That sounds... dumb.

I can't claim to see the future, but I think it is safe to say that mainstream media and the culture that follows it ( like a cult) has most definitely reached the peak of dumb and blatantly obnoxious that I've seen in my lifetime.

I would like to believe that a lot of you guys are just paranoid, but it seems often that whether or not the conspiracies of intent are true, the effect is that the results and actions seem to support that narrative. Intended or not, a spade is a shovel, and shovels dig holes, among other things. Whether the machine has parts in metric or the Imperial system, it does the same thing. Regardless of whether the paving stones are made of good intent, the road leads to the same place, and the more you scrutinize the actors, the less credible the intent. Maybe I should say, the leaders may lack good intent, but those with it they use to pave their roads, and support the weight of the machine they're moving.

I'm not a Republican by any sense of identity, but I hope they hold the Senate, and I'm glad of the last few court nominations. The founders knew that power was dangerous, and that a divided federal government that balanced itself in conflict was a check against individuals of corrupted influence, and that protected the governed. We don't want a King, regardless of party affiliation.

I am concerned, but not yet despairing. Maybe the popular opinion shifts after they actually get a few swallows of that snake oil. I do think we're in for something not so awesome. The question is, how bad does it get before people start using their own sense, let alone good sense, and the degree to which we can recover.

BTW, IMO, I think expressing dissent is good, so long as it's framed in intelligence and sincerity, and honest and open ears for a reply. Having lived almost half a century in this state, the intolerance that has grown for 'heretical' viewpoints in coastal Californian cities is something I truly despise, and having moved to a small 'mixed oasis' that includes people who might be described as 'conservative', I have found them to be ironically, in general, a lot more tolerant of dissent than those who ascribe to 'COEXIST' or what not, who when they run out of logical points turn it into a question of character. Maybe that's in part because 'conservatives' here know what it's like to be a minority demonized for their beliefs. Regardless, I consider it behaving respectfully to a higher standard, and I hope that doesn't change.

Best wishes for all of you. So far as I've experienced, you're all good people to me, even if maybe, time to time, a little grumpy. :p
 

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I dunno, but I might have wasted 20 minutes of my time reading this "manifesto" and then copy and pasting parts that actually make sense out of this BLM "call to action". I happen to agree with these things:
➢Ending civil asset forfeiture;
➢ Abolishing mandatory minimum sentencing laws;
➢ Abolishing the “three strikes” law
➢ Banning pretextual stops and “consent” searches;
➢ Categorically eliminating misdemeanor and “pay only” probation;
■ Removing police, School Resource Officers (SROs), ICE, and other surveillance equipment and practices from schools.
■ “Baby bonds” programs, including a preference for communities that were specifically targeted by redlining;

I may not agree with the entirety of the message, but certain points do merit further review.
If you want to take over the process to filter out the baloney, I will sign your petition to get on the ballot.
 

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Its a bit more than feel good baloney I fear. I dont think this pile of garbage has any chance of becoming law anytime soon regardless who is in the WH. But for crying out loud, if even a third of this crap was ever enacted, it would be a monumental change in how we live. This is just pure Marxist ideology in print form here.
Really want to say that open borders, no cops, no prisons or jails, massive influx of illegals, and all the other nonsense would be helpful to anyone? It would only achieve one thing in the end, complete control of our lives by govt., which is of course the intention.
I can find nothing in this taken as a whole that makes me feel at all comfortable.
 

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No menation of abolishing "red flag" laws.
So I'll not support any of those items.

Federal matching of "estimated" savings?
Since when has any government "estimate" been any where near correct?

It will go like this:
I "estimate" this reduction will save 1 million dollars.
Now match my "estimated" savings.
Short time later......I over estimated the savings, but the money you gave is is already spent on "community" projects.
Sorry can't give you any of it back.
Don't want to upset the "community".
 

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I dunno, but I might have wasted 20 minutes of my time reading this "manifesto" and then copy and pasting parts that actually make sense out of this BLM "call to action". I happen to agree with these things:
➢Ending civil asset forfeiture;
➢ Abolishing mandatory minimum sentencing laws;
➢ Abolishing the “three strikes” law
➢ Banning pretextual stops and “consent” searches;
➢ Categorically eliminating misdemeanor and “pay only” probation;
■ Removing police, School Resource Officers (SROs), ICE, and other surveillance equipment and practices from schools.
■ “Baby bonds” programs, including a preference for communities that were specifically targeted by redlining;

I may not agree with the entirety of the message, but certain points do merit further review.
Let me ask you, have you ever been a victim of violent crime? Assault? Someone trying to kill you? Some scumbag you had to kick out at work coming to your house to "do something" to you?

I'd have to say you haven't been a victim, because I have been the victim of all of the above and I am for everything in that list except civil asset forfeiture. I am 100% sure I want the scum that victimized me or any other good citizen to get a mandatory minimum and be eligible for a strike if the DA doesn't show liberal bias and reduce all the charges. Why would anyone be for removing police from schools? My wife is a teacher and has seen other staff physically assaulted by teenagers. I have also caught many piece of crap teenagers for crimes against my business and people there because I can text a picture of them to the school SRO, and guess what, they get caught and learn that you get caught. Searches is how they find weapons that get used against us. I saw my ex friend get arrested charged with 8 felonies including felony assault on his wife because he got strung out on drugs, he ended up serving time for one misdemeanor, and I know the evidence was there because I was there, it was a liberal DA. And color has nothing to do with it, he was white. So getting rid of "misdemeanor probation" he never would have caught several more charges that put him away and kept her safe.
People vote for this bull crap thinking it's disproportionally against black people, but reducing cops and jail time lets off the sea of scumbag white people committing crimes as well...
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Pardon me, Brian, but I'm confused. Do you mean you are opposed to everything on the list except eliminating civil asset forfeiture? The reason I ask is because the list wants to abolish everything item cited.
 

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Lol you know me Bert, I'm super conservative on most things, maybe I was confused with the way it was written and we've had a few members here that might as well be BLM because they are certainly openly left sympathizers and I'm confused why any gun guy would support measures this BLM or Antifa or any of these anti-Trump groups are for.

I certainly DO NOT want to eliminate the three strikes law, DO NOT want to eliminate mandatory minimum sentences, DO NOT want to eliminate misdemeanor probation, and I DO NOT want police removed from schools, etc. There should be hardcore criminal punishment at least after a first offense. They are making it about race but criminals are criminals period.

I don't really have a dog in the fight about civil forfeiture but I am against it because I don't believe the state should get anyone's private property under any circumstances, it can lead to malicious prosecution or planting evidence and framing someone just to take their property. Back in the '80s our neighbor ended up being a big drug dealer and got caught, and had 2 payments left on his house and they took it. He was also in real estate for many years so it's impossible to say how much drug money was in the house but I just don't feel that's right personally even though I do not condone open drug use or dealing. He was guilty but he paid taxes on his regular income and did a good amount of time in prison, supposedly that is your debt to society. I also saw a camaro at a car show with a blower sticking out of the hood that had the sheriff's logo on it that was confiscated as well, that could've been someone's inheritance or paid by working before they got into selling drugs, there's no way to know so it should not be legal to take it. Just my opinion.
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