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SG Ammo has 2016 production German MEN Ammo for 56 cents a round.
No NATO head stamp No primer crimp.
No NATO head stamp No primer crimp.
2016 MEN Ammo.... with test results.
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Does it shoot well?
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We shall see, first time I have seen 2016 MEN. Anyone else notice the lack of primer crimps ?
I ordered some up....frankly... even though MagTech / CBC now owns MEN, I still have more faith in the German production lines then Brazilian lines.
Looks like there should be a bunch comin'.
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The MEN has No Nato head stamp, No primer crimp and I don't think there's any sealant on the case mouth. Although I could be wrong on that.
I lost all my firearms in the Rio Grande when the barge hit a sandbar and sank.
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What I found on the CBC group!
- The CBC Group consists of four internationally recognized ammunition brand names: CBC, Magtech, MEN, and Sellier & Bellot.
- Numerous manufacturing plants and distribution facilities are located in Brazil, Czech Republic, Germany and the United States.
- Ranks amongst the largest small arms ammunition producers in the world.
- Production in excess of 1 billion rounds per year.
- More than 3,000 qualified employees worldwide.
- ISO 9001:2008 and AQAP 2120 certified.
- Military brands are CBC, MEN and Sellier & Bellot.
- Law Enforcement brands are Magtech, MEN and Sellier & Bellot.
- Commercial brands are Magtech and Sellier & Bellot.
- Sellier and Bellot is the oldest operating ammunition company in the world.
- Sellier & Bellot ammunition company was established in 1825.
- CBC ammunition company was established in 1926.
- MEN ammunition company was established in 1957.
- Magtech ammunition company was established in 1990.
- CBC, Magtech, MEN and S&B ammunition products are sold in more than 90 countries.
- The CBC Group is one of the few ammunition companies in the world that has capabilities in producing ammunition products to U.S. Mil., NATO, SAAMI and CIP specifications.
- The CBC Group is capable of vertical integration and actively manufacturers raw materials to produce bullets, brass, primers and powder.
- Mechanical and process engineers design/produce manufacturing equipment and the tooling necessary to operate world-class manufacturing operations.
- Product engineers are focused on designing and manufacturing the highest quality products at competitive prices.
- Quality assurance team conducts internal, external and terminal ballistic testing, plus regularly scheduled function testing to insure dependability, accuracy and on-target performance.
- Sellier & Bellot is one of the few ammunition company’s in the world to produce “paper hull” shotshells.
- Magtech is one of the few ammunition company’s in the world to produce “brass” shotshell.
FWIW - I grabbed a case of the new MEN15 9mm that SG has. Beautiful stuff, extremely well done. The primers were sealed, but not crimped. Not true NATO spec, but extremely good ball. I presume this 7.62x51 will follow suit. Good features (some sealant) and likely good quality, reloadable, reloaders would appreciate not having a primer pocket crimp to remove.
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I would have done the same if I was in the market for ammo. When I first got the email announcing current production German ammo that in the past was NATO, I thought this is great!
Then I saw that it was not NATO ammo anymore, and now that I read here that CBC/Magtech owns it, I won't buy any.
If I were buying, I would buy the Hirt instead from SGA also even though it is '79-80 ammo.
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Keep in mind that the NATO symbol doesn't mean anything. Anyone can put it on their cases, as there is no NATO specification on the brass itself.
It is only required if the ammunition "might" be distributed to NATO forces. In that case it must be tested by NATO to see if it meets the Interoperability STANAG. If it does, the package gets the Shamrock looking symbol. That is the one that means the ammo meets NATO specifications.
As for these "specifications," one has to remember is that the M14 has not been part of the test protocol for nearly 5 decades. The only 7.62 weapon currently used for interoperability testing is the M240 machinegun, which fires from an open bolt with a fixed firing pin and an oversized chamber. The performance bar is set pretty low. RNGR2
In other words, way too much attention is being paid to the NATO mark on the headstamp. I would be more concerned with the type and amount of powder, to see if it is compatible with the M14 gas system. It looks like flattened ball powder.
It is only required if the ammunition "might" be distributed to NATO forces. In that case it must be tested by NATO to see if it meets the Interoperability STANAG. If it does, the package gets the Shamrock looking symbol. That is the one that means the ammo meets NATO specifications.
As for these "specifications," one has to remember is that the M14 has not been part of the test protocol for nearly 5 decades. The only 7.62 weapon currently used for interoperability testing is the M240 machinegun, which fires from an open bolt with a fixed firing pin and an oversized chamber. The performance bar is set pretty low. RNGR2
In other words, way too much attention is being paid to the NATO mark on the headstamp. I would be more concerned with the type and amount of powder, to see if it is compatible with the M14 gas system. It looks like flattened ball powder.
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Is it Boxer or Berdan primed?
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Site says boxer.
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Anyone have any word on this ammo? I am really on the fence on getting a case of this or ZQI.
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I will be trying it this weekend, so if you can wait.... I would.
My M21 doesn't like ZQI.... YMMV.
I will say .... it sure is clean dang good looking ammo.
I am going to check the loaded rounds tonight for various measurements. ( The OCD in me )... charge weight, concentricity, bullet weights etc.
Been thinking the same thing since I got my email notice from SGAmmo . I noticed that SG extended their shipping times for ammo until next Tuesday due to high demand for all ammo . I would not think that the 2016 Men ammo would present a problem with the M1A but my opinion is only a uneducated guess and will await bfoosh006's review who will be shooting some of this .
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