[grndpndr]

I was sure South Dakotans had a staunch ally in the governores mansion however it turns out this no permit CC may be in an iffy deal and may just pass/ just slide by.HB 1248 was substitured basicall substituting similar rights of another no permission cc permit was needed when 1015failed.Supposed gun rights activists voted 1015 down in committed by 7-5.Being defeated becasue 3 progun rights legislatores were mad with the states Gun right Org.
SDGOA becuse of some percieved slight last session.Thier duty is to people not getting even with poeples reps.IM HOPING FOR THE BEST BUT i DO EXSPECT THE WORST.
EITHER SIGHNED OR VETOED 19 FEB! I called the gov office and wrote.I hope other's do the same. Governor Daugaards address at gov mansion is OFFICE of GOVERNOR
500E. CAPITOL AVE
PIERRE,SD 57501
Remember to support HB 1248 poitely but with feeling!
May squeekn by!!

(605) 773 3212

 

[grndpndr]

Id do some researce before I carried a loaded uncase long gun?ffirearm in a state or national parK if I were you.I m about sure all fed/stae state parks must have the firearms un- loaded cased and out of reach in a park.Near home is wind cave state park. It doesnt matter I you have a state or reciprocity CC from another state you can absolutely not carry concealed in a state park.Its a state issue were dealing with now.The State game and fish has say so over parks and recreational areas.So even out fishing on a fed grassland pond is illegal to carry concealed/openly near the waterway around lakefront.Even an abandondend RR line deemed obsolete deeded to state.w/ rails and ties removed along some 100mile of trail thru roughest Mountain lion county is also illegal to carry concealed or openly.Its considered a recreation area and under the ausices and regs of the fish and game.Fines and cc license trouble if caught .Same if your carrying openly. Its still considered a recreation area and no guns are allowed.Thers amove afoot to take the power away from game and fish but for the meantime inSD at least it pays to be cautious.

 

[grndpndr]

I was sure South Dakotans had a staunch ally in the governors mansion however it turns out the no permit CC may be an iffy deal and may just pass/ slide by.HB 1248 was basically substituting, similar rights of another no permission cc permit was needed when 1015failed.Supposed gun rights activists voted HB 1015 down by 7-5.
Being defeated becasue 3 progun rights legislatores were mad with the states Gun right Org.
SDGOA, some percieved 'intimidation' by SDCGO last session alonh with the fact there not the friemds puported to be,the way the wind blows these men lean.Thier duty as legislatures is to people, not getting even politically with with poeples reps.
IM HOPING FOR THE BEST BUT I DO EXPECT THE WORST.The alleged 'intimidation' scheme is front page dirt.for some time
EITHER its SIGHNED OR VETOED by Hon. Gov.Daugarrd the 19 of feb.

I called the Govs. office, and wrote a short note.I hope other's do the same. Governor Daugaards address iS.


Office of the Governor

500 E. Capitol Ave
Pierre,SD 57503

Remember to support HB 1248 poitely but, with feeling! If your unable to write.
A polite phone call is also helpful!( 605 773 3212)

 

[grndpndr]

I'm completely for open carry, but now we can't in this hellhole. I live in the desert, so I may run across a pack of coyotes, or a pack of tweekers. Either way, I want my 1911. Thanks to our Governor, I can't protect myself.
These 12 states will be sweet to carry on like a free American if there's no license, the way it should be. Keep me posted, I'm looking for a free state when I can get out of here, but it will be quite a while.
m14brian

Even if the bid for a no -cc w/o a governmental overseeer fails(thers still next year and the demands growing) we can still, legally carry openly w/o any GD elected or beurocrat telling us whether we can excercise those rights.Again state research reveals if any portion of the firearm is clearly visible it is not to be considered a concealed carry weapon
inder the law.Be it in a car etc.If ANY portion of the firearm is clearly visible theres no concealed weapon.
Still I DREAN OF A NO NEED FOR AN ISSUE cc LICENSE.WAITING!! ON SOME ELECTED(to approve my legal civil rights) OFFICIAL WHO VERY OFTEN HAS HIS OWN PREJUDICES, BE THEY OBVIOUS SUCH AS RACE,SOCIAL STATUS ETC. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A 'must' issue license.(Our ex-governor proved that! Continued to break the law running stop signs at hi speed w/minimal LEO hassle un til he kills a mototcyclisy with clearly the right of way.I recall,ex-gov got maybe 3-4months in jail with daylong work release every day another 3 months probation(HOUSE ARREST) and had his law license back,worst racist/borderline personality disorder ive ever had the misfortune of knowing.)And he was still raking up the speeding tickets until he died recently)threre are always looppholes the issuing INDIVIDUAL can hide behind.That and (sheriff/ beaurocrats) tax payer funded million dollar cushion against a lawsuit from a boyo who couldnt hire illeggal laborers let alone a decent lawyer.'Must issue' my ass,means MUST have $ or have friends w/in LEO community.

If I sound angry I am,( AND THE PROBLEM GETS WORSE,I WAS RAISED TO BELIEVE IN RIGHT O WRONG THERE WERE FEW IN ANY GREY AREAS THAT SHOULD/ OR HAD TO BE TOLERATED
AND THE PROBLEM ESCALATES EXPONENTIALLY while most casualy apply more KY.)

 

[jcolter]

I believe OC is okay in all National Parks, even in TX. You can definitely carry long guns.

The regs for firearms in National Parks is that the States regulations apply.

 

[osokusmc]

I was sure South Dakotans had a staunch ally in the governores mansion however it turns out this no permit CC may be in an iffy deal and may just pass/ just slide by.HB 1248 was substitured basicall substituting similar rights of another no permission cc permit was needed when 1015failed.Supposed gun rights activists voted 1015 down in committed by 7-5.Being defeated becasue 3 progun rights legislatores were mad with the states Gun right Org.
SDGOA becuse of some percieved slight last session.Thier duty is to people not getting even with poeples reps.IM HOPING FOR THE BEST BUT i DO EXSPECT THE WORST.
EITHER SIGHNED OR VETOED 19 FEB! I called the gov office and wrote.I hope other's do the same. Governor Daugaards address at gov mansion is OFFICE of GOVERNOR
500E. CAPITOL AVE
PIERRE,SD 57501
Remember to support HB 1248 poitely but with feeling!
May squeekn by!!

(605) 773 3212

That's the same story I got from my Rep. I guess they added the language about requiring a SD drivers License to keep the out of state bikers from CC when they come to Sturgis. I sent a little note to Daugaard even though it made me feel like a sissy asking him to please honor my natural rights. The nice thing is that it is all on him if he vetoes the bill, no wiggling out of that one. My Rep did tell me that the Governor (or his people) didn't deny an appointment for a photo session at the signing of the bill, maybe a good sign.

Edit: Spoke with my state Rep at a meeting earlier today, she said the the Governor vetoed the bill. She said they think they have the votes in the House to override, but they're a few votes short in the Senate, but are working on it.

 

[grndpndr]

SD,s Governor on the states ELECTED representatives and by extension its citizens who wanted this bill as evidenced by its passage.
Only to be vetoed by Governor Deaugard, apparently deaf to the citizens of SD's wish's.
The issue wont go away but the Governors tenure in the Peoples mansion
will expire soon enuf w/o our support.Mark my words his days as an elected official are numbered,the ballot boxes will speak.GI2

 

[There and Back Again]

I'm all for permit-less carrying but I'm against issuing firearms to anyone who doesn't have firearm experience.

If it up were me in control... I'd force all non-military, non-military veterans, non-law enforcement purchasers to complete a firearms training course prior to being issued any firearms.

 

[CAVman]

I'm all for permit-less carrying but I'm against issuing firearms to anyone who doesn't have firearm experience.

If it up were me in control... I'd force all non-military, non-military veterans, non-law enforcement purchasers to complete a firearms training course prior to being issued any firearms.

Wow...Where To Start? So Wrong On SO Many Levels...

Beginning with the SECOND AMENDMENT...

Unfortunately I can't muster the emotional energy this morning to even begin......no doubt Someone Else Will...

GI5

CAVman in WYoming

 

[bustedknuckles]

I'm all for permit-less carrying but I'm against issuing firearms to anyone who doesn't have firearm experience.

If it up were me in control... I'd force all non-military, non-military veterans, non-law enforcement purchasers to complete a firearms training course prior to being issued any firearms.

Who dosnt have firearm exp? if i was in control anyone who couldnt handle a firearm would be shot.
For concealed carry in ohio you have to do a live fire portion of the 8hr class, you have to put 10 shots in chevy volt or sumthin at 10 feet.

 

[Tommo]

Great news!

 

[LemmyCaution]

I'm all for permit-less carrying but I'm against issuing firearms to anyone who doesn't have firearm experience.

If it up were me in control... I'd force all non-military, non-military veterans, non-law enforcement purchasers to complete a firearms training course prior to being issued any firearms.

We don't 'issue' firearms in this country. We keep and bear them as we see fit as private citizens who self govern.

And, fortunately, our founders had the wisdom to make sure that our government was not under the 'control' of one man. Our government is likewise formed around the principle of consent, not 'force.' And our government is lastly formed around a principle that the military is subordinate to and governed by the civil authority.

You can basically take your authoritarian, military chauvinistic, anti-freedom principles posted above and...

Go run Uzbekistan, or something.

 

[gregaba]

Oklahoma passed the open carry bill and is waiting for the gov.s signature.
You have to have a certificate of firearms training and a photo ID.
The gov. said she would sign the bill.
Greg

 

[leadbug]

Any part of government is going to give up the opportunity to collect major revenue? By "major revenue" I mean anywhere from $60-whatever the highest cost of a permit is, in exchange for a piece of paper with typing on it, filed into a data base.

The profit margin is just too high for me to believe this will ever happen for real.

 

[Thor]

I hate to say it but leadbug is right. There's nothing the government hates more than not getting its "fair share" of everyone's money.

 

[mkd357]

I hold an Iowa ccw permit. I hope the National Reciprocity Act will pass so I can carry in all 49 states that recognize a citizens right to protect themselves. (I feel really bad for the people of IL whom are forever at the whim of the gangsters which run that corrupt state)
However 50 states that allow permit-less carry for citizens that can own a firearm legally would be true freedom. (I think one should be obligated to inform law enforcement that they are carrying if approached/pulled over. Thus the officer can run their name and determine they aren't felons, but that's just my opinion)

 

[LausDeo]

(I think one should be obligated to inform law enforcement that they are carrying if approached/pulled over. Thus the officer can run their name and determine they aren't felons, but that's just my opinion)

I think I might agree with that IF the cop was required to specify why he pulled you over first. That way he's not doin "random checks" for a firearm, or whatever. But it would be a local statute not a federal one. Maybe state.

 

[Chromebolt]

I'm a leo. When I have encounters with other leos, my first words are I'm an off duty officer and I have a weapon. Would you like to see my ID?

If you're engaging with Leos and are armed the last thing anybody would want would be to make a movement that could be misconstrued and have them see a weapon they didn't know about.

When I was a patrol officer many years ago and stopped someone, and they informed me they had a weapon in the car, I just asked its location and for them not to make movements toward the weapon. These were not the types of folks I needed to worry about.

I had to go to a Social Security office last week for my folks. I was in a suit and carrying a pistol. I was working and on a lunch break. The security guard kept looking at me and finally approached me an asked about the bulge under my jacket. I told him it was a pistol and I was a leo and offered to show him my ID. I was told it was against SS rules to have a weapon in their offices. The security officer handled it well.

Common sense goes a long way.

 

[LemmyCaution]

I've been pulled over exactly once in my life. When the officer asked for my license and registration, I said, "Officer, my license is in my wallet in my left hip pocket. I have a knife in a sheath on my left hip. I don't want there to be any misunderstanding. How would you like me to proceed?"

She said, "That's fine. Just move slowly. Do you have any other weapons in the car today?"

Me, "Yes. My sidearm is on my right hip."

Her, "OK. Just keep your hands away from it."

Me, "Understood, officer."

She checked out my papers, and sent me on my way with advise to fix my bum headlight, which is why she pulled me over.

Mutual courtesy and respect go a long way.

 

[Mski11]

I was really surprised to see my home state of RI on the list to not require permits for concealed carry especially since they barely give them out as of now. They aren't even a shall issue state. I remember my dad wanting to get a permit to carry in Mass and RI when I was growing up. He worked in Boston and had six kids to take care of. He reasoned that if something happened to him, no one would be around to take care of his family. Apparently that wasn't a big enough reason back in the day. Nice to see things may be changing a bit.